Tuesday, April 18, 2017

HOLDEN Families connected with Belfast.

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In 1830, Letitia MAGUIRE of Dublin, married John HOLDEN of Belfast.
Letitia's older sister, Elizabeth MAGUIRE (1804-1854), was my great-great grandmother, having married six years earlier, also in Dublin, her mother's first cousin, and my great-great-grandfather, John PIGOTT of Dublin, Tax Collector.
Elizabeth and Letitia were the first and second of sixteen children of William MAGUIRE (1782-1844) of Dublin, Inspector of the Paving Tax and Sexton of St Patrick's (Cathedral Church of Ireland), by his wife Mary VICKERS.
See his separate entry at:

In an attempt to locate John HOLDEN of Belfast's origins for the benefit of his and Letitia's descendants, I have, over the last 15 years, accumulated the following data on HOLDEN families with connections to Belfast in particular, and Northern Ireland in general - with a few English HOLDEN's who also had commercial interests in Iron and Brass Founding.


Mr HOLDEN; married, perhaps to a woman named SINCLAIR, or whose mother was a SINCLAIR; it is of possible interest to this story that a Thomas SINCLAIR was residing at Hopeful, Antrim Road, Belfast, as recorded in Griffith's Primary Valuation (about 1854), as a very near neighbour to Patrick KINNEAR and to Ross SAULTER, whose wives were the sisters Anne and Mary HOLDEN, daughters of James HOLDEN, of the Phoenix Foundry, Belfast (see below); they had issue:
1. James HOLDEN, born at Newtown-Stewart, County Tyrone, 17 March 1785 (from later Census details in Canada); at the urging of his brother Sinclair, James went to Canada about 1826, and settled in Markham Township, Ontario; he was there in the 1851 Census, aged 66, with wife and two children; he returned to Ireland briefly in 1869, visiting his brother John HOLDEN in Belfast and at his residence at Holywood, County Down, and taking photographs of his Irish relations (or taking prints given him by his brother, who was a keen photographer); James was living with his son Sinclair in Markham in 1871, a Widower; James died at Whitby, Ontario, on 10 September 1872, aged 87, born Ireland, a Protestant [Belfast News-Letter, 3 Oct 1872]; he married Frances HAMILTON; she was aged 57 in the 1851 Census, born Ireland; they had issue:
     a. Sinclair HOLDEN, born in Ireland about 1821; went to Canada with his parents; at Markham, Ontario, 1851 Census, aged 30, Farmer, with wife and two children; at Markham, 1861 Census, aged 40, with wife, six children, and his widowered father; Sinclair died at Walters Falls, Grey County, Ontario, in April 1904, aged 80, born Ireland, a Methodist; he married at Markham, on 12 November 1844, Magdalena (Leny) CLENDINNING (witnessed by William HOLDEN); she was born in Canada; she died at Markham on 11 January 1863, aged 42.
     b. William Thomas HOLDEN, born in Ireland about 1825; went to Canada with his parents; witnessed his brother Sinclair’s marriage in 1844.
     c. John HOLDEN, born Ontario, about 1826; at Markham, 1851 Census, very near his parents, aged 25, Farmer, with wife and two children, a Baptist; he married Esther (-?-), born Ireland, and aged 21 in 1851.
     d. James HOLDEN, born Ontario, 29 February 1828; died at Manitoba, 24 October 1882; married Orilla FITCHETT, with issue.
     ? Ellen, born Stouffville, Ontario, 1830; married James A. LAUGHLIN.
     f. Abigail HOLDEN, born Ontario, 1831; married Noah WINDSOR.
2. John HOLDEN, born about 1791. In 1869 he was a Merchant in Belfast, with a residence in Holywood, County Down, when visited by his brother James from Ontario, Canada. See [A] below. 3. Sinclair HOLDEN, born in County Tyrone, about 1802; went to Canada West in 1822, being farewelled with a heartfelt farewell ode by W.N., entitled “Going to America” and published in the Strabane Morning Post [14 May 1822]; settled in Markham, York County, Ontario; founded a Methodist church there about 1835; variously recorded as a Private School Master, a Druggist, and a Methodist Preacher; he was at Markham, 1851, aged 48, Merchant, with wife and son; at Markham, 1871 Census, aged 68, Druggist, a Wesleyan Methodist, with wife and daughter, and two MAYOR children; at Markham Village, 1881 Census, aged 79, Merchant, Widower, with daughter and the two MAYOR girls; he married at Markham, about 1826, Abigail LUNDY (born in Canada about 1801); they had issue:
     a. Sinclair HOLDEN, born about 1831; aged 19, Clerk, with parents, 1851 Census. b. Annie Elizabeth HOLDEN, born Ontario, about 1842; aged 28, with her parents, 1871; aged 33, with her father, 1881.

[A] John HOLDEN, born about 1791; Hatter, of Belfast, 1830 (marriage notice); Hatter, High Street, 1832 [Voter’s Register]; leased two properties in High Street, Belfast, in 1833 and 1835 from Catherine ASHMORE, of Dorset Street, Dublin [Deeds Registry]; Importer, Manufacturer and Dealer, Hat Warehouse, 48 High Street, Belfast, 1835-36 [MATIER’s Directory]; he disposed of the two leases in May 1837 to his father-in-law, William MAGUIRE, in satisfaction of a debt of 500 pounds (and prosecuted by MAGUIRE in the Court of Chancery, perhaps to secure his investment over and above other possible creditors?); John then branched out into the Sewn Muslin trade; Sewed Muslin Manufacturer, 28 Donegall Street, Belfast, 1843-44, residence Botanic Road, Thompson’s Court [Directory]; a Methodist - he attended that Society’s Annual Conferences in Dublin, as Representative of the Belfast Circuit, from 1829 (and inevitably met the family of his future wife Letitia MAGUIRE); witnessed the marriage in Belfast in January 1847 of his brother-in-law Edward MAGUIRE and Sarah Jane EWART; John was a Guardian of the Belfast Union, 1849; Sewed Muslin Manufacturer, 28 Donegall Street, 1850, residence 9 Botanic Road; ditto, 30-32 Donegall Street, 1856, residence 3 Royal Terrace off Lisburn Road; “...retired” to Holywood, County Down; of High Street, Holywood, 1861; Rate Collector, High Street, Holywood, 1870; Poor Rate Collector, 6 Castle Chambers, 1868, residence High Street, Holywood; as John S. HOLDEN, High Street, Holywood, 1880; John died at Mervue, High Street, Holywood, on 1 December 1888, aged 96 [Belfast News-Letter, Tuesday 4 December], and was buried in the Old Priory Burial Ground, Holywood [M.I.]; his will was proved at Belfast, November 1892, by his son-in-law, Samuel John MAGOWAN, Bank Manager of Belfast. John was married at St Peter’s Church of Ireland, Dublin, on 12 November 1830, to Letitia MAGUIRE, the second daughter of William MAGUIRE (Inspector of the Paving Tax in Dublin and sexton of St Patrick’s Cathedral), by his wife Mary VICKERS, (Robe Keeper at St Patrick’s), by Marriage Settlements dated 11 November [Memorial Number 576300, Deeds Registry, Henrietta Street, Dublin]; she was born in Dublin on 18 October 1806, and was baptised in St Patrick’s Cathedral (her older sister Elizabeth MAGUIRE was the wife of John PIGOTT of Dublin); Letitia died at Mervue, High Street, Holywood, on 18 September 1887, aged 80, and was buried in the Old Priory Burial Ground, in the north-east corner of the southern section [M.I. on a celtic cross]. John and Letitia had issue:
1. William Sinclair HOLDEN, born in Belfast, 19 February 1832; died on 31 May 1833, and buried at Shankhill Cemetery, “…aged 18 months.
2. Mary Jane HOLDEN, born in Belfast, 4 December 1833; informed the deaths of both her mother and father; she was living with her married sister Letitia in 1901, aged 66, and unmarried; she was living with her nephew Samuel MAGOWAN in 1911, aged 75; she died at Cloney, Glenarm, Larne District, County Antrim, 17 December 1911, aged 77, “…daughter of Linen Merchant (deceased).”
3. John Sinclair HOLDEN, born at Belfast, 14 February 1836; M.D., Queen’s University, Belfast, 1865; Licentiate, Royal College of Surgeons, Edinburgh, 1865; General Practitioner in Glenarm, County Antrim; founding member of Belfast Naturalists Field Club, and was a prolific photographer of features of the Antrim coast, and co-published scientific papers on its geology and antiquities; went to Suffolk, England, before 1880; at 57 Friars Street, Sudbury St Gregory, 1881 Census, aged 43, Medical Officer of Health, Physician and Surgeon, with wife Mary; at 51 Friars Street, Sudbury, 1891, with wife and three children; ditto 1901 Census, with his two children, his second wife and their two children; at East House, East Street, Sudbury, 1911 Census, aged 74, with his second wife and their three children; Honorary Consulting Physician, St Leonard’s Hospital, Sudbury, for many years, and was Chairman of the Committee of Management at his death; also a senior member of the Sudbury Bench of Magistrates; an old member of the B.M.A. and former President of the East Anglia Branch; also a former President of the Cambridge Medical Society; John died at Sudbury, on 13 July 1923, aged 86 [British Medical Journal, 18 August]; his will was proved in September by Edward Herbert SIKES, Esq, and Alfred Henry CANHAM, Solicitor; John was married firstly, at Sudbury, on 13 April 1880, to Mary ANDREWES [Medical Times and Gazette]; she was daughter of George William ANDREWES of Sudbury, Solicitor and Magistrate, by his wife Elizabeth BRERETON; she died at Sudbury , September quarter 1893, aged 48; they had issue:
     a. George Sinclair HOLDEN, born Sudbury, 19 July 1881; with parents, 1891; Felsted School; Pembroke College, Oxon; undergraduate student, with parents, 1901; he evidently took a greater interest in the University Dramatic Society than in his academic subjects; he died in July 1917, having had issue a son - John Sinclair HOLDEN, who was born on 11 April 1912, and died at Poole, Dorset, on 3 September 1995.
     b. Nora May HOLDEN, born at Sudbury, September quarter 1883; with her parents in 1891 and her father in 1901; probably married at Sudbury in September quarter 1909, to either Oliver Theobald BROWN or Henry Evelyn WOOD.
     c. Rosalind Letitia HOLDEN, born at Sudbury, June quarter 1887; with he parents in 1891; Elementary School Teacher in Rotherham, West Yorkshire, 1911, residing with the family of her future husband; died in a motoring accident on 6 March 1958; she was married at Sudbury in September quarter 1913, to Frank I. HOYLE (born at Bahia, Brazil, on 6 July 1877); he died at Rotherham, 6 August 1937, and was buried at Moorgate Cemetery; they had a son and a daughter.
John married secondly, at Sudbury, September quarter 1895, Mary Agnes SIKES (born in Sudbury, 1861, daughter of John SIKES, Magistrate and Land Owner, by his wife Mary Sophia CANHAM); by her, John had further issue:
     d. Agnes Joyce HOLDEN, born Sudbury, September quarter 1896; with parents, 1901 and 1911; probably proved the will of her uncle, Rev Henry HOLDEN in 1931.
     e. Marjory Joan HOLDEN, born at Sudbury, September quarter 1900; went to Canada; married at Vernon, British Columbia, 28 May 1921, Walter Elliston ALLEN; with issue.
4. William Thomas HOLDEN, born at Belfast, 14 December 1838; Curate of St James’s, Clerkenwell, March 1867, when he participated at the marriage in Holywood of his sister Letitia; Curate of Bocking, Essex, 1871 Census, aged 32; appointed Rector of Whipsnade, Bedfordshire, 1878; at Whipsnade Rectory, 1871 Census, aged 42, with wife and daughter; ditto, 1881 through 1901, with wife and family; a Widower in 1911, with daughter; he was superseded as Rector in 1914, and died at Whipsnade on 18 December 1919; William married at St Mary’s Church, Bocking, 20 November 1872, Sarah Blake WYATT, third and youngest daughter of George WYATT of Hill House, Bocking; her death was registered at Luton, March quarter 1905, aged 62; they had issue:
     a. Lillian Kate HOLDEN, born at Bocking, 1874; she probably proved her brother Henry’s will, June 1931; unmarried.
     b. William Meynell HOLDEN, born at Dunstable, 10 June 1875 [Belfast News-Letter, 12 June]; died there on 8 January 1878, aged 2 years 6 months [Belfast News-Letter, 16 January].
     c. William Meynell HOLDEN, born at Whipsnade, 1878; Auctioneer and Estate Agent in Paddington, London, in partnership with Charles Albert LUKER (dissolved in August 1900; at a boarding house in Bournemouth, 1911 Census, aged 32, on private means; died at Christchurch, Dorset, December quarter 1911, aged 32, evidently unmarried.
5. Letitia HOLDEN, born at Belfast, 15 June 1842, a twin; her death details have not been found, but she was living as a widow in 1920, and was subsequently buried with her husband at Carnmoney Burial Ground, Belfast; she was married at Holywood Parish Church, by her brother-in-law Rev Edward MAGUIRE assisted by her brother Rev William HOLDEN, on 13 March 1867, to Samuel John MAGOWAN, of Glenarm, County Antrim; Bank Manager, Royal Avenue, Belfast, 1901 Census, with wife Letitia and her two sisters; ditto, Royal Road, Smithfield, County Antrim, 1911 with his wife and her sister; he died on 26 January 1920, and was buried at Carnmoney; they had issue:
     a. Samuel McDonald MAGOWAN, born at Holywood, County Down, 11 January 1868; M.B., Ch.B., B.D., Royal University of Ireland; at Cloney, Glenarm, 1911 Census, aged 43, residing with his maiden aunt Mary HOLDEN; he died on 16 February 1954; he married at Ardrossan, 15 September 1914, Elizabeth IRVINE; with issue.
     b. Emily Letitia MAGOWAN, born at Belfast, 12 May 1870; married at Belfast, June quarter 1894, Frank HOEY, with issue.
6. Lucinda (Lucie) HOLDEN, born at Belfast, 15 June 1842, the other twin; photographed at Glenarm Park, about 1869, the photo being in the album of her cousin James HOLDEN in Ontario, Canada; she died at Mervue, High Street, Holywood, on 26 September 1892, aged 47, “…of fever,” and was buried in her parents plot in the Old Priory burial ground [M.I.].
7. Henry Brian McConagher Maguire HOLDEN, born at Belfast, 10 January 1845; Queen’s University, Belfast; Theological Associate, King’s College, London, 1868, and made a Deacon; Preisted at Holywood Parish Church on 19 December 1869 by the Bishop of Down and Connor [Irish Times, 21 December]; Curate of Kilconrida, County Antrim; of Ballymena in 1873 when named as executor of his mother-in-law’s will; celebrated the marriage in Dalkey, County Dublin, in November 1875, of his cousin Bessie MAGUIRE to Dr Joshua George BRERETON; appointed Organising Secretary, Temperance Society of the Diocese of Ripon, 1877; Vicar of St Bart’s, Bowling, Bradford, 1880; Vicar of Caunton, Nottinghamshire, 1888; Vicar of St Leonards-on-Sea, Sussex, 1890; Rector of Great Gonerby, 1901-16 [CROCKFORD’s Clerical Directory]; at 11 Pevensey Road, St Leonards-on-Sea, 911 Census, aged 66, with his wife; he died on 31 March 1931, late of Trelawny House, Luxulyan, Lostwithiel, Cornwall; his will proved by his nieces Lilian Kate and Joyce HOLDEN; Henry was married at Holywood, 3 August 1870, to Dora Adams GRANT (a daughter of George and Annie Frances GRANT); she died at 5 St Saviours Road, St Leonard-on-Sea, on 26 August 1926; no issue.
8. Elizabeth Emily (Emma) HOLDEN, born County Antrim, 13 August 1847; aged 53, with her married sister Letitia, 1901 Census; ditto 1911, aged 63; informed her sister Mary Ann’s death in 1911, then residing at 2 Royal Avenue, Belfast; possibly died at Belfast, March quarter 1913, aged 65.


William SINCLAIR, perhaps born about 1758, son of John SINCLAIR and Mary HARPER (and perhaps an uncle of John, James and Sinclair HOLDEN?); of Brookvale Lodge, Belfast, Merchant; he died on 13 August 1842, aged 84, late of Brookvale, Gent, and was buried at Clifton Street Cemetery, 17th Old Part, Grave 14, 15 (birthplace not recorded in the burial register); William married Elizabeth MONTGOMERY; she died on 15 March 1834, aged 65, and was buried at Clifton Street Cemetery, "....wife of William SINCLAIR of Brookvale Lodge" (location not recorded) - but died "...on Thursday last [Belfast Newsletter, Tuesday 18 May 1834] which computes to 13 May; with issue (some details from public trees on ancestry.com):
1. Jane SINCLAIR, born abut 1801; died in 1878; she was married at the Rosemary Presbyterian Church, Belfast, on 3 January 1827, to Robert SIMMS.
2. William SINCLAIR, born at Belfast (Brookvale Lodge in burial register), about 1803; Merchant; died at Brookvale Lodge, 11 August 1841, aged 37 (Inflammation), and buried in his father's plot at Clifton Street Cemetery; he was married to Mary GIBSON, with issue:
     a. William SINCLAIR, born about 1827; died in 1881; married at Limerick, as the "...only son of the late W. SINCLAIR, Esq, of Brookvale," on 26 September 1850, to Amelia HIND, daughter of John HIND, Esq, of the Lodge [Freemans Dublin Journal, 1 October]; with issue.
     b. Sarah SINCLAIR; eldest daughter of the late William SINCLAIR, Esq, of Brookvale, Belfast, when she was married at St George's Church, Dublin, 25 September 1851, Rev Charles HIND, of Rotherhithe, London [Standard (London), Monday 29 September].
     c. James SINCLAIR, born about 1836; died at Brookvale Lodge on 26 March 1840, aged 3 (Fever), and was buried at Clifton Street Cemetery (plot not recorded).
     d. James SINCLAIR, born at Brookvale Lodge, 1841; died there on 14 November 1842, aged 15 months, and buried in his grandfather's plot at Clifton Street Cemetery.
3. John SINCLAIR, born about 1808; Provision Merchant, Tomb Street Belfast, 1843, in partnership with his brother Thomas HOLDEN, and residing at 4 Donegall Square West [Belfast Directory]; a major financial contributor for the building of Contig Presbyterian Church; died on 21 January 1856, aged 48 (break up of constitution), Provision Merchant, of The Grove, Belfast, and buried at Clifton Street Cemetery, Wall, New Part, Grave 53; he was married at Fisherwick Place Church, Belfast, 22 February 1835, to Eliza PIRRIE, daughter of William PIRRIE, Esq, of Belfast; she died at Dunmurry, County Antrim, on 29 January 1888; with issue:
     a. William Pirrie SINCLAIR, born May 1837; M.P. for Antrim (Liberal), and for Falkirk (Liberal Unionist); Shipowner in Liverpool; died at Rivelyn, Prince's Park,  Liverpool, on 1 November 1900, aged 63, and was buried at Smithdown Road Cemetery [M.I., Toxteth Park Cemetery, N 36/37, G.D. 497, 498]; as the eldest son of the late John SINCLAIR of the Grove, County Antrim, Esq, he was married at Mountpleasant Church, Liverpool, 11 January 1865, to Agnes CRICHTON, only daughter of the Rev Hugh CRICHTON of Liverpool [Liverpool Mercury, 12 January]; she died at Liverpool, 23 February 1919, and was buried at Toxteth Park Cemetery with her husband, born in Liverpool on 18 December 1843 [M.I.].
     b. Elizabeth Montgomery SINCLAIR, born at Belfast, 9 July 1838; she died in 1916; she was married about 1866, to Rev William Fleming STEVENSON, Presbyterian Minister, of Strabane, Belfast and Dublin (he died at Rathgar, 16 September 1886; with issue.
     c. Jane SINCLAIR, born at Belfast, 30 April 1840; died at Bangor, County Down, in 1904; married Samuel KINGAN; with issue.
     d. Thomas McElderry SINCLAIR, born at Belfast, 1842; died in Iowa, U.S., in 1881; married Caroline SOUTER.
     e. John Morrison SINCLAIR, born in Belfast, 24 June 1843; died in Indianapolis, U.S., 1878; married Elizabeth Lecky RICHARDSON; issue:
          i. Elizabeth Ivan SINCLAIR, born Ireland,1878; died at Belfast, 1902.
     f. Samuel Gibson SINCLAIR, born at Belfast, 3 April 1827; Provision Merchant, 1 Sunnyside, Toxteth Park, Liverpool, 1901 and 1911 Censuses (aged 53, 63), with his two younger sisters; he died in Liverpool on 28 April 1913, and was buried at Toxteth Park Cemetery [N 35, G.D. 496].
     g. Robert Simms SINCLAIR, born in Belfast, 1848; died in 1940.
     h. Letitia Mary SINCLAIR, born in Belfast, 1851; with her brother Samuel, 1901 and 1911 Censuses (aged 49 and 59), unmarried; she died in Liverpool, 19 February 1940, aged 88, and was buried at Toxteth Park Cemetery with her brother Samuel [M.I.].
     j. Agnes Maria SINCLAIR, born in Belfast, 1853; with her brother Samuel, 1901 and 1911 Censuses (aged 48 and 58), unmarried; she died in Liverpool, 28 July 1938, aged 78 years, and was buried at Toxteth Park Cemetery, with Samuel and Letitia [M.I.].
4. Mary HOLDEN, born in Belfast, about 1809; possibly died at Donegall Street, 17 August 1842, and was buried at Clifton Street Cemetery, (Wall, New Addition, Grave 47); she was married in Belfast, 12 March  1829, to Samuel GIBSON of Belfast [Belfast News-Letter, 13 March]; possible issue:
     a. Mary GIBSON, born in Belfast, 1834; died at Donegall Street, Belfast, 13 May 1835, aged 6 months (Hooping Cough), and buried at Clifton Street Cemetery (plot not recorded).
5. James SINCLAIR; of Donegall Place, 1836; married with issue:
     a. William Pirrie SINCLAIR, born in Belfast, 1836; died 1 November 1836, aged 6 months, and was buried at Clifton Street Cemetery (plot not recorded).
However, Charlotte SINCLAIR died on 12 January 1850, aged 78, widow of William SINCLAIR, Donegall Place, and was buried at Clifton Street Cemetery (Wall, Old Part, Grave 42).
5. Thomas SINCLAIR was born in Belfast, about 1810; he was a Provision Merchant, at 5 Tomb Street, Belfast, in 1843, residence Hopefield, in partnership with his brother John SINCLAIR [Belfast Directory]; Thomas died in London, on 2 January 1867, at the residence of his brother-in-law, Samuel GIBSON [Belfast Newsletter, Saturday 5 January], and was buried at Clifton Street Cemetery on 7 January, aged 56, Gentleman and Merchant ("Extravasation" of blood on the brain), late of Hopefield, Antrim Road [Wall, New Part, Grave 52]; Thomas was married firstly, to Sarah ARCHER, daughter of William ARCHER of Rockshill, County Down; she died at Hopefield, 30 June 1849, aged 49, born Belfast, and buried in the family plot at Clifton Street Cemetery; they had issue:
     a. William SINCLAIR, born at Belfast, 1836; died 25 May 1854; however. a William SINCLAIR died at Hopefield, 27 May 1854 (Rheumatic fever), and was buried with his sister at Clifton Street Cemetery, his age recorded, perhaps in error, as 8 years.
     b. Elizabeth Montgomery SINCLAIR, born at Belfast, 1837; she died at 3 College Avenue, Londonderry, on 31 March 1919, aged 81, widow of a Linen Merchant, the death informed by her son-in-law, James McMASTER, of the same address, present at the death; she was married at Belfast, 23 November 1859, to Henry KIRK, son of William KIRK, Esq, of Annvale, Keady ["Marriage Festivities," Belfast Morning News, 26 November].
     c. Thomas SINCLAIR, born at Hopefield, 23 September 1838; M.A., D.Lit, Queen's University, Belfast; Justice of the Peace and Deputy Lieutenant of County Antrim; arrived in New York on the ship Majestic, 19 September 1906, aged 68, on a visit to Indianapolis with his son William R. SINCLAIR (aged 22); he died in 1914; Thomas married firstly, in 1876, Mary DUFFIN, daughter of Charles DUFFIN of Strand-town Lodge, Belfast; she died in 1879; they had issue:
          i. Frances Elizabeth SINCLAIR, born at Hopefield, 4 November 1877; Of Belfast, Novellist; married CRICHTON.
          ii. Thomas Charles SINCLAIR, born at Hopefield, 18 May 1879.
Thomas married secondly, in Belfast, 15 August 1882, his cousin, Elizabeth Lecky, the widow of John Morrison SINCLAIR (died 1878, aged 35), and a daughter of William RICHARDSON, Merchant; by her Thomas had further issue:
          iii. William Richardson SINCLAIR, born at Hopefield, 27 September 1884; he was aged 22 when he visited Indianapolis with his father in 1906.
     d. John SINCLAIR, born at Belfast, 4 January 1841; at East Orange, Essex County, New Jersey, 1870 Census, aged 29, Provision Dealer, with wife Fanny and Caroline SINCLAIR (aged 50, born in Ireland); at Madison Avenue, City of New York, 1880 Census, aged 39, Provision Dealer, with wife and 2 children; at 66th Street, Manhattan, 1900, aged 59, Retired Merchant, with wife and two children; he died in New York, 1901; he was married in Manhattan, N.Y., in 1870, to Frances Colt BUNKER (born in New York, December 1845); they had issue:
          i. Edith SINCLAIR, born in New York, about 1871; aged 9, at school, with parents, 1880.
          ii. Archer SINCLAIR, born in New York, about 1877; aged 3, with parents, 1880.
          iii. Marjorie J. SINCLAIR, born in New York, May 1883; at school, with her parents, 1900.
          vi. Donald B. SINCLAIR, born in New York, April 1889; at school, with his parents, 1900.
     e. Mary SINCLAIR, born in Belfast, about 1843; she died at Hopefield, 3 December 1853, aged 10 (Cholera), and was buried in her father's plot at Clifton Street Cemetery.
Thomas was married secondly, at Belfast, 26 April 1855, to Elizabeth Sydney EDGAR (daughter of Rev John EDGAR, D.D.), with further issue:
     f. Mary Evelyn SINCLAIR, born in 1856; died in 1918; married at Belfast, 1876, David Raphael MOORE.
     g. Emily Gertrude SINCLAIR, born in 1857; died in Belfast, 5 December 1940.
     h. Sydney Edgar SINCLAIR, born March 1858; at Cedar Rapids, Linn County, Iowa, 1900 Census, aged 42, President of Sinclair Packing Company, with wife and two children; he died in Wyoming County, New York, in 1917; he was married in Belfast, in 1883, to Maria Louise MATIER; she was born in Ireland in February 1860; they had issue:
          i. Sidney M. SINCLAIR, born in Iowa, June 1885; aged 15, with parents, 1900, a Student.
          ii. Marguerite SINCLAIR, born in England, June 1893; aged 6, with parents, 1900.
     k. Francis Howard SINCLAIR, born in 1861; died at Newton Abbot, Devon, in 1951; married Maud GRIMSHAW.
     j. Helen Ethel SINCLAIR, born at Hopefield, Skeigoneill, 13 November 1864; "...youngest daughter, she died on 23 July 1887, aged 22.

There was yet another, and perhaps related family of SINCLAIRs in Belfast, with inscribed monuments in the Clifton Street Cemetery, and with full transcriptions recorded on memorials created for them on Findagrave.com, as follows:

William SINCLAIR, born about 1759; of Fortwilliam, Belfast; died 11 February 1807, aged 47, and was buried at Clifton Street Cemetery; married Charlotte Maria POLLOCK; she died in Belfast, 9 January 1850, aged 86, and was buried with her husband; they had issue:
1. Elizabeth SINCLAIR, born 17 June 1785; died in Belfast, 24 April 1837; married at St Anne's, Belfast, 6 June 1809 (this year appears to be in error), Rev Edward MAY, Vicar of Belfast (1809-1819) and Sovereign of Belfast (1807-08, 1811, 1815); he died at Pisa, in Italy, 22 October 1819, aged 36; with issue:
     a. Edward Stephen MAY, born about 1802; died 13 August 1854, aged 51.
     b. William MAY.
     c. George Augustus Chichester MAY; the Rt Hon, an M.P.
     d. Charles Henry MAY.
     e. Charlotte Elizabeth MAY.
Agnes SINCLAIR, born about 1750; died in Belfast, 16 January 1825, aged 74.
2. Charlotte Maria SINCLAIR, daughter and co-heiress; she was married on 20 August 1826 to Conway Richards DOBBS, of County Antrim, J.P., D.L., and High Sheriff of that county; with issue [Burke's Landed Gentry pedigree for DOBBs of Dobbs Castle].

John SINCLAIRE, born about 1763; died 21 January 1857, Gent, aged 94, of Milltown, Falls, and was buried at Clifton Street Cemetery (Wall, Old Part, Graves 8 and 9); he was married to Margaret CLARK (only daughter of John CLARK); she died in Belfast on 9 January 1839, aged 70, and was buried with her husband [see the full M.I. on Findagrave.com]; they had issue:
1. Thomas SINCLAIRE, born in Belfast, about 1797, eldest son; of The Falls, Belfast; died 8 or 10 October 1860, Merchant, aged 63, of Falls Green (Wall, Old Part, Graves 8 and 9); he was married at St George's Church, Belfast, on 11 March 1831, to Augusta MONTGOMERY, daughter of Conway Heatly MONTGOMERY, of Ballyarthur, County Wicklow, and grand-niece of the Duke of Argyle [Belfast Newsletter, 11 March]; she died at Genoa, in Italy, on 23 March 1870, aged 68 [Belfast News-Letter, 2 April]; issue:
     a. Augusta SINCLAIR, born about 1832; died on 11 March 1845, aged 13.
     b. Thomas SINCLAIR, born about 1834, eldest son; died on 25 September 1884, aged 50.
     c. Mary Caroline SINCLAIR, born about 1836; died on 11 October 1870, aged 34.
2. Jane SINCLAIR, born about 1805; died on 4 September 1819, aged 14.
3. Margaret SINCLAIR, born about 1808; died on 1 July 1900, aged 92.

A Mary MONTGOMERY, born about 1761, was buried in this plot, 21 January 1844, aged 82.

Mrs SINCLAIR, died 14 January 1839, and was buried at Clifton Street Cemetery, the "...wife of John SINCLAIR, Donegall Place, born Belfast" (plot not recorded).

Henry HOLDEN; of Broughshane, County Antrim; probably at 4 Union Street, Belfast, 1819 [Belfast Directory]; died before 1828; married Margaret (-?-); she died in Belfast, at the residence of her son, 31 March 1818, aged 74, relict of the late Henry HOLDEN, of Bushyfield, near Broughshane, County Antrim.


Robert HOLDEN, of Bolton-le-Moor, Lancashire; possibly baptised there on 11 April 1752, son of Roger and Elizabeth HOLDEN; probably married at Bolton-le-Moor on 9 December 1779, to Ann CROSS; they appear to have had issue in Manchester, as follows (although the lack of a son named Roger suggests the 1752 baptism may not be appropriate):
1. Robert HOLDEN, baptised at the Collegiate Church of Christ, Manchester (now Manchester Cathedral), 11 August 1782. Of the right age for the Belfast foundry man. Possibly [B] below.
2. John HOLDEN, baptised ditto, 27 March 1785.
3. Ann HOLDEN, baptised ditto, 10 April 1787; died young.
4. Ann HOLDEN, baptised ditto,15 February 1789.
5. Sarah HOLDEN, baptised ditto, 18 September 1791.
6. Mary Ann HOLDEN, baptised ditto, 8 September 1793.
7. James HOLDEN, baptised ditto, 20 March 1796. Of the right age for the Belfast foundryman. Possibly [C] below.


[B] Robert HOLDEN, born Manchester, about 1782 (as recorded in his burial register entry); went to Belfast, about 1821; he entered into partnership with Samuel PEARCE in the establishment of the Phoenix Foundry, at 16 Great Georges Street, Belfast, and obtaining the said premises by a lease from Hill HAMILTON, dated 29 April 1824, for 79 years, at a rental of 96 pounds per annum, the site running from Great Georges Street 326 feet to Patrick Street, and with a width of 44 feet (between the premises of James LAWRENS and Thomas Ludford STEWART [as recorded in Deed 1854, Volume 24, Memorial Number 41, Dublin Deeds Registry]; residing at 52 Little Patrick Street, Belfast, 1835-36 [MATIER’s Directory]; advertised the sale of the Foundry, September 1838, with the intention of retiring; sold his share in the partnership to his brother James in 1840; evening collector at the opening service of the new Wesleyan Methodist Church in Donegall Square, Belfast, January 1847; made several deeds in March 1849, detailing the arrangements that he put in place when he left his partnership with Samuel PEARCE at the Phoenix Foundry [Deeds 1849, Volume 6, Memorial 88; and 1849,Volume 11, Memorial 117, Dublin Deeds Registry]; Robert died on 22 July 1849, at his residence, 9 Botanic Road, Belfast, aged 66 [Anglo-Celt, Cavan, 27 July], and was buried at the New Burying Ground, Clifton Street [Platform I, Grave 72]; his will named as his executors his nephew Robert HOLDEN of Belfast (also his heir-at-law), and his niece's husbands Patrick KINNEAR and Ross SAULTER, both of Belfast, Merchants [as set out in Deed 1854, Volume 23, Memorial 105, Dublin Deeds Registry]; Robert married Anna (-?-); she died on 29 March 1843, at her residence, Botanic View, Old Malone Road, aged 54, and was buried at the New Burying Ground [Platform I, Grave 33]. It is evident from abstracts of his will that they had no surviving issue.

[C] James HOLDEN, born in Manchester about 1796 (as recorded in his burial register entry); lived in Marsden, Yorkshire, from 1821 to 1826; went to Belfast; advertised the opening of his Iron and Mill Brass Foundry business in 2 Poultry Square, Belfast, January 1840; took over his brother Robert’s share in the HOLDEN and PEARCE Phoenix Foundry in May 1840, paying Robert 2,500 pounds for the privilege, as  recorded in an Indenture dated 1 May 1840 [cited in Deed 1854, Volume 23, Memorial 105, Dublin Deeds Registry]; he died on or about 7 April 1846, aged 50, late of 52 Little Patrick Street, Intestate, and was buried in the New Burial Ground, Clifton Street [Platform J, Grave 33]; James married Elizabeth PEARCE; she survived as his sole administratrix, and was involved in legal action against her late husband’s business partner over the valuation of his business assets; her death details have not yet been found; they evidently had issue, including:
1. Anne HOLDEN, baptised at Marsden, Yorkshire, 12 August 1821; probably died at West Ham, Essex, December quarter 1887, aged 66; of Botanic Road, Belfast, when married, on 10 December 1848, Patrick KINNEAR; he was an executor of his wife's uncle, Robert HOLDEN, 1849; at Willowbrook, Antrim Road, Belfast, valued on a House, office, Yard and Land [Griffith's Primary Valuation, about 1854]; at Willowbank, Antrim Road, Linen Merchant, office in Corporation Place, 1861 [Belfast Directory]; he was at Marsden Villa, Leyton, Essex, 1871 Census, aged 58, Hemp Merchant, born Ireland, with wife, four children, and her widowed sister Mary SAULTER with her two daughters; at St James's Street, Walthamstow, Essex, 1881 Census, aged 65, Hemp Merchant, with wife and three children; they had issue:
     a. Richard KINNEAR, born Ireland, about 1848; aged 22, Linen Merchant, with parents, 1871.
     b. William John KINNEAR, born in Belfast, January 1851; died at 1 Williams Place, Belfast, 1 March 1851, of inflammation of the chest, aged 5 weeks, and was buried at Clifton Street Cemetery [Platform F, Grave 67].
     b. Henry KINNEAR, born Ireland, about 1852; aged 18, with parents, 1871.
     c. Mary E. KINNEAR, born Ireland, about 1854; aged 16, with parents, 1871; aged 26, with parents, 1881, unmarried.
     d. Alfred KINNEAR, born Ireland, about 1859; aged 21, Hemp Merchant, with parents, 1881.
     e. Herbert M. KINNEAR, born Ireland, about 1865; aged 5, with parents, 1871; aged 15, Hemp Merchant's Clerk, with parents, 1881.
2. Mary HOLDEN, baptised at Marsden, 22 February 1824; aged 47, Interest of Money, 1871 Census, residing with her sister and family in Essex; she died at Reggio-Calabria, in 1908, aged 88 [M.I. in GULLI family vault]; she was married at St Anne's, Belfast, on 23 September 1843, to Ross SAULTER of Belfast; he was an executor of his wife's uncle Robert HOLDEN, 1849; he contributed 20 pounds towards the cost of building a new Church in Marsden, Yorkshire, April 1854; at Marsden Villa, Antrim Road, and valued on a House,Office and Yard [Griffith's Primary Valuation, about 1854] Linen Merchant; at Marsden Villa, Antrim Road, Linen Merchant, office in Donegall Square West, 1861 [Belfast Directory]; he died at his residence, Marsden Villa, Antrim Road, Belfast, on 10 September 1867, aged 46, and was buried at Lambeg Cemetery; they had issue:
     a. Elizabeth SAULTER, baptised at St Anne's, Belfast, 8 May 1846; she was married at St Anne's, Belfast, 3 February 1870, to Edmund Hyde HOMAN, M.D., son of the Rev HOMAN, Rector of Modreeny, County Tipperary; they went to Buenos Aries, then to Rosario, Argentina, where he practiced Medicine; she went to Italy, and resided with her sister Annie and her husband Vincenzo GULLI, in Reggio-Calabria, where she died in 1916 [M.I. in GULLI family vault]; Edmund had died in Argentine in 1816 (family information from Meg YOUNG); they had issue.
     b. Ross SAULTER, baptised at St Anne's, Belfast, 10 January 1849; probably died young.
     c. Mary (Minnie) SAULTER, baptised ditto, 12 April 1850; she died at 27 Cherryfield Avenue, Rathmines, on 25 November 1910, & was buried at Mount Jerome Cemetery [M.I.]; as Minnie, she married in Belfast, on 16 March 1871, Robert HAIRE, a Civil Engineer; at 2 George's Terrace, Clontarf East, 1901, with wife Mary (51) and five children; he died at 9 Westfield Road, Terenure, on 22 December 1909 [M.I., Mt Jerome]; with issue:
          i. Violet HAIRE, born about 1872; aged 29, with her parents, 1901; informed her father's death, 1909, of 9 Westfield Road, Terenure; aged 39, 1911 Census, with brother Sidney; died in Dublin, 14 May 1952 [M.I., Mt Jerome].
          ii. Sidney Hume HAIRE, born at  the Cape of Good Hope, about 1877; aged 23, with parents, 1901; informed his mother's death, 1910, of 27 Cherryfield Avenue, Rathmines; at 27 Cherryfield Avenue, Rathmines, 1911 Census, aged 33.
          iii. Kathleen  HAIRE; Red Cross, W.W.1, Red Cross Medal; died in Dublin, 1 December 1941 [M.I., Mt Jerome].
          iv. Robert Graham HAIRE, born in County Fermanagh, about 1882; aged 17, with parents, 1901.
          v. Lionel Irwin HAIRE, born at 1 Northland Road, Londonderry, 28 July 1887; as Samuel Irwin, aged 13, with parents, 1901.
          vi. Mary Rosemond HAIRE, born at 1 Northland Road, Londonderry, 27 August 1889; aged 11, with parents, 1901; aged 21, 1911 Census, with brother Sidney; died in Dublin, 30 January 1970 [M.I., Mt Jerome].
     d. Jane SAULTER, baptised ditto, 18 June 1856; aged 14, with her mother, 1871; went to Italy; as Ina SAULTER, she died at Firenze, Toscana, 19 May 1875, aged 18 years, "...of rapid consumption"  which may have been aggravated after she was caught in a violent storm while out riding with her  fiance Vincenzo GULLI, and contracted pneumonia; she was buried at Pinti, the Old Protestant Cemetery, Florence [M.I.].
     e. Annie SAULTER, baptised at St Anne's, Belfast, 19 May 1859; aged 11, with her mother, 1871; went to Italy; she died at 178 Via del Giardino, Via-Reggio, Province of Lucca, on 1 February 1892, aged 32; she was married by the Sindaco (Mayor) of Vico Equesne (a coastal resort town near Naples), at Sejano, Province of Naples, on 5 January 1879, to Vincenzo Stanislao GULLI, Lieutenant, 3rd Infantry, the former fiance of her late sister Ina; with issue:
          i. Tomasso Ross Faentino GULLI, born at Faenza on 17 November 1879; died in Jugoslavia, 11 July 1920; he was married at Reggio Calabria, on 29 June 1914, to Maria NESCI; probably issue -  a son, and a daughter Anna GULLI (born 12 September 1917, and died 8 October 2006).

[Vico Equesne, in Campagnia, and the Metropolitan City of Naples. See Wikipedia.]

3. John HOLDEN, baptised at Marsden, 13 November 1825; probably died before 1854 (as suggested by his younger brother Robert being named as the eldest son of James HOLDEN, and heir-at-law to their uncle Robert HOLDEN in that year).
4. Robert HOLDEN, born in or near Huddersfield, about 1827 (from details in his N.S.W. death registration), but query whether he was probably baptised at Marsden, 22 August 1830; Iron Moulder; he was heir-at-law to his uncle Robert HOLDEN [1854, Volume 23, Memorial Number 105, Dublin Deeds Registry]; he emigrated to Australia, arriving in Melbourne on the ship James Baines, in February 1855; founded the Phoenix Foundry in Ballarat, 1856, jointly with his brother-in-law William Henry SHAW (also of Belfast):

Robert and his family moved to N.S.W. about 1880; died at Paddington, Sydney, 14 January 1911, aged 84, and buried at Waverley Cemetery:

Robert was married at St Anne's, Belfast, 21 September 1854, to Emily SHAW, of Belfast (daughter of James Smith SHAW, of Cokstown, County Tyrone, and Ballarat, by his wife Mary HUNTER); Emily died at Paddington, 2 December 1890, aged 55; they had issue:
     a. Elizabeth Mary HOLDEN, born at Collingwood, Victoria, 1855; she died at Paddington, 1928.
     b. Robert William HOLDEN, born at Ballarat, 1858; died in 1860, aged 1.
     c. Robert William HOLDEN, born at Ballarat, 1860; died at Parramatta, 1891; possibly married in Queensland, 1884, Mary Jemima LETHBRIDGE, with issue.
     d. Ross Saulter HOLDEN, born at Ballarat, 1863; died at Randwick, 1893, and was buried in his parents plot at Waverley Cemetery.
     e. Samuel James HOLDEN, born at Ballarat, 1864; died there in 1865, aged 1, as James Shaw HOLDEN.
     f. Emily HOLDEN, born at Ballarat, 1867; informed her father's death, 1911, then residing at 37 Arundel Street, Forest lodge, unmarried.
     g. James Samuel HOLDEN, born at Ballarat, 1869; died at 2 Zion Terrace, Sutherland Street, Paddington, on 8 February 1892, aged 22 years 8 months, of peritonitis.
     h. Norman Shaw HOLDEN, born Ballarat East, 1873; Clerk, in Moree, 1930, and in Bondi, 1937; married at St Stephen's, Sydney, 24 October 1903, Isabelle McWILLIAM, second daughter of the late Samuel McWILLIAM of Corowa [S.M.H., 31 October]; with issue.
     j. Hilda Evelyn HOLDEN, born at Ballarat, 188; died at Drummoyne, 1929; married at Glebe, 20 February 1911, Harold HEALY of Dulwich Hill [S.M.H., 4 March].
5. Thomas Kenshaw HOLDEN, possibly born in Somerset, about 1832; co-founder, with W.T. JOHNSTON, of the Phoenix Foundry in Chicago, Illinois, 1864; at 40 N. Peoria, Chicago, Iron Founder, 1864 [Directory]; named in an article in the Belfast Newsletter, 1871, as the Proprietor of the said foundry in Chicago, and as a son of the late James HOLDEN of the Foundry of the same name in Belfast; probably died on 12 November 1904, aged 72; probably married Jane MITCHELL.
6. James HOLDEN; said to have been a Merchant in Belfast, 1860; possibly married at St Anne's, Belfast, 5 June 1860, Amelia T. HOBSON [Belfast News-Letter, 7 June]; Merchant in Chicago, 1874; possible issue:
     a. Florence Eugenie HOLDEN, born Belfast, 1861; died at Woodstock, 5 April 1870, aged 9.
     b. daur, born Woodstock, Belfast, April 1863. c. son, born Woodstock, Belfast, June 1869.
7. Samuel Pearce HOLDEN, born in Belfast, 17 March 1841. Unless instead a nephew?


James and Elizabeth HOLDEN had issue born in Huddersfield, and baptised there as Dissenters:
1. John HOLDEN, born 29 July 1816.
2. Mary HOLDEN, born 7 January 1819.
3. Joseph HOLDEN, born 2 August 1821.
4. William HOLDEN, born 9 January 1825.
5. Hannah HOLDEN, born 16 January 1827.

There is no evidence for any relationship between this family and the one with baptisms in Marsden, above.


William HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1795; at Kilwaughter, County Antrim, 1851 Census, and 55, Farmer, with wife Martha (aged 55, Spinner), and their four children:
1. William HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1830; aged 20, Ploughman, with his parents, 1851.
2. James HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1832; aged 18, Tiller, with his parents, 1851.
3. Samuel HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1835; aged 15, Corn Boy, with his parents, 1851. 4. Arthur HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1837; aged 13, Corn Boy, with his parents, 1851.

Robert HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1800; at Kilwaughter, 1851 Census, aged 50, Married, Farmer, with five children and one grandchild; married with issue:
1. Margaret HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1828; aged 21, Housekeeper, with her father, 1851.
2. Thomas HOLDEN, Born in County Antrim, about 1831; aged 19 , Farm Labourer, with his father, 1851.
3. William HOLDEN, born on County Antrim, about 1833; aged 17, Farm Labourer, with his father, 1851.
4. Robert HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1835; aged 15, with his father, 1851.
5. Catherine HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1837; aged 13, with her father, 1851.

Mary HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1812, maiden surname unknown; married HOLDEN; at Kilwaughter, 1851 Census, aged 38, Married, Housekeeper, with her six children:
1. James HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1832; aged 19, Carpenter, with his mother, 1851. 2. Ruth HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1834; aged 16, with her mother, 1851.
3. Samuel HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1837; aged 13, with his mother, 1851.
4. Thomas HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1843 1843; aged 7, at school, with his mother, 1851.
5. George HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1845; aged 5, with his mother, 1851.
6. Ellen HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1847; aged 3, with her mother, 1851.

But for the naming of the Thomas aged 7 in this Census, I wondered if Mary was Robert’s estranged wife, with half the family each.

Samuel HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1814; at Kilwaughter, 1851 Census, aged 36, Farmer, with wife Margaret (aged 38, born County Antrim) and their six children:
1. Thomas HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1840; aged 10, at school, with his parents, 1851.
2. John HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1842; aged 8, at school, with his parents, 1851.
3. Mary HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1844; aged 6, at school, with her parents, 1851.
4. Saul HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1844; aged 6, at school, with his parents, 1851.
5. Alexander HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1846; aged 4, with his parents, 1851.
6. William HOLDEN, born in County Antrim, about 1850; aged 10 months, with his parents, 1851.

Robert HOLDEN; married with issue:
1. Robert HOLDEN, born about 1841; probably died at Larne, County Antrim, March quarter 1886, aged 46; married at Larne, 10 June 1867, Mary KNOX; with issue:
     a. Margaret HOLDEN, born in County Antrim 13 May 1874.

Samuel HOLDEN, born about 1802; died at Ballygowan, County Antrim, April 1873, aged 70, and buried at Ballynire Old Churchyard [M.I]; married Martha (-?-); she died on 21 November 1887, aged 72, and was buried with her husband [M.I.]; they had issue:
1. Robert HOLDEN, Born about 1838; died at Ballygowan, 22 November 1885, aged 46 [M.I.].
2. John HOLDEN, born about 1841; died at Ballygowan, 22 August 1873, aged 31 [M.I.].


John Nock BAGNALL, of West Bromwich, had his "A History of Wednesbury, in the county of Stafford" published in Wolverhampton in 1854. At pages 171 and 173 are two pedigrees of the ROSE-HOLDEN family associated with Wednesbury and Daventry, on large pages that were folded twice, back and over, to fit within the book's outline. When this book was digitalised, these pages were left folded, and as a result, more than 60% of the text is not visible. The bits that are visible fit the following, and have been incorporated into it as indicated [Bagnall, with page number].

William HOLDEN, born in 1650; of Wednesbury, Staffordshire; died in 1699; he married Elizabeth HYLA, with issue (from on-line pedigrees):
1. Mary HOLDEN, born at Wednesbury, 1689.
2. William HOLDEN, born at Wednesbury, 30 July 1691; died in 1776; married at Lichfield Cathedral, 17 January 1716, Mary WOOD; they had issue:
     a. William HOLDEN, born at Wednesbury, 5 December 1717. See [D] below.
     b. Hyla HOLDEN, born at Wednesbury, in 1719 or 1723; died at Wednesbury, December 1766, aged 42, "...a few days since... much lamented... an eminent Manufacturer in Wednesbury" [Public Advertiser (London), Thursday 25 December]; he married in 1745, Rebecca WALFORD, daughter of John WALFORD of Deritend, County Warwick, Gent [Notes and Queries, 27 February 1864]; she died in 1804; with issue:
          i. Hyla HOLDEN, born at Wednesbury, 7 September 1762. See [E] below.
3. George HOLDEN, born 1692.
4. Ann HOLDEN, born 1694.
5. Elizabeth HOLDEN, born 1697.

[D] William HOLDEN, born at Wednesbury, Staffordshire, 3 or 5 December 1717 [earlier date in Bagnall, page 171]; of Birmingham, Merchant; he purchased the Advowson of the Rectory at Upminster, Essex, and appointed his son John to the Rectory in March 1780; William died on 9 April 1806, aged 88, and was buried in Wednesbury Parish Church, a plaque on the north chancel wall, outside the rails, recording details of the four burials "...in a vault near this spot" [Bagnell, page 37]; he married in September 1748, Mary ROSE, third daughter of John ROSE of Daventry, Northamptonshire, Gent, by his wife Anne LUCAS; Mary died in September 1752, and was buried in the family vault at Wednesbury [Bagnall, page 37]; they had issue:
1. Anne HOLDEN.
2. John Rose HOLDEN, born in Birmingham, and baptised at St Phillip's, 16 March 1750; eldest son; M.A.; appointed by his father as Rector of Upminster, Essex, 22 March 1780; maintained his interests in London, and appointed a series of Curates to care for the parish; resigned the Rectorship in favour of his son John in 1799; died at his residence, Summer Hill near Birmingham, on 28 January 1827, aged 76 or 77 [Berrow's Worcester Journal, 1 February], and was buried in the HOLDEN Family vault in Wednesbury [Bagnall, page 37]:

John married at St Martin's, Birmingham, 23 February 1771, Mary TOVEY, daughter of William TOVEY of Eardington, Warwickshire, by his wife Elizabeth TREMLOW [date recorded as June 1769 in Burke's "Landed Gentry"]; she died at Bath, on 9 December 1829, aged 81 [Jackson's Oxford Journal, 19 December], and was buried with her husband at Wednesbury [Bagnall, page 37]; they had issue (much of this detail courtesy of Annabel GRAY's public tree on Ancestry.com, to which has been added additional material):
     a. John Rose HOLDEN, born 1772; named in his father's will, 1827; M.A., Queen's College, Oxon; appointed by his father as curate of Upminster, Essex, 1795; succeeded his father as Rector in 1799; he died at Upminster, 28 January 1862, his will proved by his nephews, John Rose Holden ROSE of Sussex, Lt-Col in the Army, and Luther HOLDEN, of 54 Grove Street, County Middlesex, F.R.C.S.; John married on 3 June 1805, Margaret WHEELER, daughter of the late William WHEELER of Clifton [Bury and Norwich Post, 5 June].
     b. William Rose HOLDEN, baptised at Birmingham, 19 Aug 1775; named in his father's will, 1827; M.A.; sometime Fellow of Worcester College, Oxon; an Established Church Minister; at Lark Hill Terrace, Worcester St Martin, 1841 Census, aged 60+, Chaplain of St Oswald's Hospital, with nephew Luther, son Hyla and daughter Mary; William died at Dorset Cottage, Lark Hill, near Worcester, 16 April 1854, aged 78, and was buried at Whittington Chapelry on 21 April; possibly married firstly, at Halesowen, Worcestershire, on 7 July 1800, Sarah LAUGHER; married (perhaps secondly) at Beaminster, Dorset, 26 December 1808, "Betty" EVERLEIGH; she probably, as Elizabeth Napier, wife of the Rev William Rose HOLDEN, died at Lark Hill, near Worcester, 19 April 1837; they had issue:
          i. John Rose HOLDEN. See [F] below.
          ii. Betty Eveleigh HOLDEN, born in 1811; buried at Beaminster, Dorset, 22 April 1815, aged 4 years.
          iii. William HOLDEN, baptised at Burton Bradstock, Dorset, 6 May 1812; M.A.; Chaplain of St Oswald's Hospital; at St Oswald's Chapel yard, Claines, Worcestershire, 1841 Census, aged 25+, Clerk, with wife Hannah (aged 25+, nlt born in county), and four children; he died at his father's residence, Lark Hill, near Worcester, 17 February 1845, aged 32; married Hannah, with issue - Anne (aged 4 in 1841), Margaret (3), William (2) and George (1), all born in Worcestershire - they were mentioned, but not identified, in their grandfather's will, 1854.
          iv. Hyla HOLDEN, born in 1816; aged 25+, Attorney, at with his father, 1841 Census; at a Hotel in Oxford, 1851 CEnsus, aged 35, Solicitor; he married at Barbourne, Worcestershire, 21 April 1863, Sarah STALLARD, daughter of William STALLARD.
          v. Henry Augustus HOLDEN, baptised at Burton Bradstock, Dorset, 23 May 1817.
          vi. Eliza Mary HOLDEN, born in 1819, only surviving daughter; died at her father's residence, Dorset Cottage, Lark Hill, on 6 March 1849.
          vii. a daughter; married Thomas WESTON; he was named as co-executor of his father-in-law's will, 1854; issue - a daughter Maria WESTON, named in her grandfather's will, 1854.
     c. Hyla HOLDEN, born in 1776; named in his father's will, 1827; Justice of the Peace for Warwickshire and Worcestershire; Deputy-Lieutenant of Warwickshire; of Waterton, County Warwick; he died on 21 December 1842, aged 66, late of County Warwickshire [Sydney Morning Herald, 17 July 1843].
     d. Mary Tovey HOLDEN, born and died in 1778.
     e. Henry HOLDEN, born and died in 1778.
     f. Mary Tovey HOLDEN, born in 1779; amarried in 1804, Hickman ROSE, 3rd Dragoon Guards.
     g. Henry Augustus HOLDEN, born 27 December 1784, and baptized at St George the Martyr, London [Bagnall, page 173]; Clergyman; named in is father's will, 1827; of Gower Street, 1846; named in his brother William Rose HOLDEN's will, 1854; died on 31 December 1870, aged 86, M.A., late of Worcester College, Oxon, and of 46 Addison Road, Kensington, W. [Worcestershire Chronicle, 4 January 1871]; married at Wednesbury, 3 December 1813 [Bagnall, page 173], his cousin Mary Willetts HOLDEN (see [E] below); with issue (sourced mainly from on-line pedigrees):
          i. Henry Augustus HOLDEN, born 25 October 1814; died 1909; married Elizabeth Margaret Ann EDMONDS.
          ii. Luther HOLDEN, born at Newhall Street, Birmingham St Martin, 19 December 1815; Surgeon.
          iii. Mary Tovey HOLDEN, born 29 December 1815; married in November 1849, her cousin Hyla Ashton HOLDEN (see [E] below).
          iv. Margaret HOLDEN, born 1820.
          v. John Rose HOLDEN, born at Daventry, Northamptonshire, 27 September 1821; went to Canada; Mayor of Hamilton, Ontario; Q.C.; died at Hamilton, Upper Canada, on 25 February 1879, "...third son of the late Rev Henry Augustus HOLDEN, M.A." [The London Standard, Wednesday 19 March]; he married Mary Emily ROACH; issue two sons and two daughters.
          vi. Philip Melancthon HOLDEN, born 1823; succeeded as uncle as Rector of Upminster in 1862; died in 1904.
          vii. George Hyla HOLDEN, born 23 November 1827 [Bagnall, page 173]; died on 1 August 1846, of yellow fever, on board H.M.'s ship Vesuvius, off Vera Cruz [Worcestershire Chronicle, 9 September].
          viii. Eleanor D'Ouchy HOLDEN, born at Ouchy, Switzerland, 21 September 1833, and baptized at Brighton [Bagnall, page 173].
     h. Christian Elizabeth HOLDEN, born and died in 1790.
     j. Christian Elizabeth HOLDEN, born in 1792; probably died on 27 August 1792, an infant, and buried at Wednesbury [Bagnall, page 173].
3. William Lucas HOLDEN, born in Birmingham, and baptised at St Philip's, 3 September 1752; died at Whitton Rectory, 16 January 1814; probably married about 1796, Anne HODGKINSON, with issue.

[E] Hyla HOLDEN, born 1762; gun barrel maker in Wednesbury; he went into partnership with Mary WILLETTS (widow of Benjamin WILLETTS - she died in Wednesbury, 1 August 1816, aged 72), in the foundry business known as Wednesbury Forge, 1794, grinding gun barrels; he died at Bath [Bagnall, page 173], on 12 or 15 November 1816 (after which the site was purchased by Edward EWELL who manufactured "edge tools"); Hyla was buried in Wednesbury Parish Church, with a monumental inscription on the floor, "...to the memory of Hyla HOLDEN, Esq, ob. 12 Nov 1816" [Bagnall, page 39]; Hyla's will proved P.C.C., 20 February 1817, mentioning his wife Mary, sons Hyla (Rev) and Benjamin, and daughters Ann and Amelia; he married at Bristol, 11 Apr 1788, Mary WILLETTS; they had issue:
1. Anna HOLDEN, born 1789, eldest daughter; married in September 1811, Mr KENWRICK, Surgeon, of Hales Owen [Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday 4 September].
2. Mary Willets HOLDEN, born 1791; died 1879; married her cousin, Rev Henry Augustus HOLDEN (see [D] above).
3. Hyla Willetts HOLDEN, born in 1795; Manchester School, 8 February 1807; B.A., Pembroke College, Oxon, November 1814; M.A., December 1919; appointed in 1824 as the first Incumbent of Erdington; died at his house, Hagley Road, Edgbaston, 4 August 1849, aged 58, Incumbent of Erdington, Warwickshire [Royal Leamington Spa Courier, Saturday 11 August]; he married at Ashton, near Birmingham, March 1820, Anne RICHARDS, youngest daughter of the late James RICHARDS, Esq, of Camp Hill [Bath Chronicle, Thursday 9 March]; she died at Edgbaston, 1 May 1859, aged 70, "...deeply lamented by her family" [Worcester Chronicle, Wednesday 4 May]; possible issue:
     a. Hubert Ashton HOLDEN; M.A., LL.D.; Headmaster of Ipswich Grammar School.
     b. Hyla Ashton HOLDEN, second son; Solicitor in Birmingham; married at St Giles-in-the-Fields, London, 22 November 1849, Mary Tovey HOLDEN, second daughter of Rev Henry Augustus HOLDEN of Gower Street, Bedford Square, London [Standard (London), 24 November] (see [D] above).
     c. Alfred Ashton HOLDEN; B.A., Trinity Hall, Cambs; died in 1859.
4. Amelia HOLDEN, born about 1799, third daughter; died at Heathfield Road, Handsworth, on 6 April 1855, aged 56, "...relict of Edward LYSTER, Esq, Surgeon, formerly of Stratford-upon-Avon" [Worcester Chronicle, Wednesday 18 April].
5. Ellen Rose HOLDEN; married in November 1822, to Edward ABNEY, Esq, of Meashall Hall, Derbyshire, Esq; they had issue:
     a. Hepzibah Constance ABNEY.
     b. Ellen Clarke ABNEY.
5. Felicia Willets HOLDEN, born about 1810, fifth daughter; she died at Worcester, 26 April 1832, aged 21, "...after a short but severe illness" [Berrow's Worcester Journal, Thursday 3 May].

[F] John Rose HOLDEN, born at Beaminster, Dorset, on 22 February 1810; Ensign, 17th Regiment of Foot, November 1829; went with his Regiment to N.S.W., arriving in Sydney in February 1831, and served for some time with a detachment of that Regiment in Brisbane; retired from the service in August 1834, about the time of his first marriage, and retired to Retreat Farm, near Liverpool; in 1842, he built Eveleigh House on part of the HUTCHISON estate at Redfern (later known as the suburb of Chippendale); he also had property in Macquarie and Bent Streets in Sydney; a Director of the Mutual Fire Insurance Company, and of the Sydney Infirmary; Secretary to the Sydney College (now Sydney Grammar School) and a member of the Committee; elected Alderman for Brisbane Ward, Municipal Council of Sydney, 1842; a Director of the Bank of N.S.W., 1843, Vice-President in 1846, and President in 1851; Magistrate, 1845; elective Member of the Legislative Council of N.S.W., September 1856, and resigned in March 1853 in consequence of his intention "...to reside some distance from Sydney" to act as executor of his father-in-law's estate, but was re-appointed as a Crown Nominee Member nine months later; an active supporter of horse racing and the hunt, as Secretary of the Australian Jockey Club, 1846, and of the Homebush Races, 1845:

[Image courtesy of the State Library of N.S.W., Mitchell Collection.]

John returned to England in 1853; he died at Larkhill, Worcestershire, on 1 May 1860, aged 50, "...at the residence of his brother" [Worcester Chronicle, 2 May]; he married firstly, at St James's, Sydney, 7 April 1834, Mary HUTCHINSON, third daughter of William HUTCHINSON of George and Clarence Streets, Sydney; she died at her residence, Eveleigh House, Chippendale, on 19 September 1849, aged 40 years [Bell's Life in Sydney, etc, Sat 22 Sep]; they had issue:
1. George HOLDEN, born in N.S.W., May 1833; of 15 Vineyards, Walcot, City of Bath, 1860, when he proved his father's will.
2. John Rose HOLDEN, born at La Retraite, Cabramatta, near Sydney, 28 May 1835; died in N.S.W. in 1836.
3. Elizabeth Mary HOLDEN, born at Parramatta, 27 September 1836; died there on 6 January 1837.
4. John Rose HOLDEN, born and died at his residence, Clarence Street, Sydney, on 13 October 1840.
5. Grace Napier HOLDEN, born at her parents' residence, Clarence Street, Sydney, on 12 March 1842; she died at Longsight, near Parramatta, on 3 April 1842.
5. Henry Augustus HOLDEN.
John Rose HOLDEN married secondly, at Christ Church, Sydney, on 7 May 1853, Susan BROADHURST, second daughter of the late Rev Thomas BROADHURST, of Bath, Somerset.

The death notice for a John Rose HOLDEN in Canada was published in Belfast (dates unclear).


Caleb HOLDEN; married Mary FARLEY; issue:
1. James HODEN, born Springfield, Massachusetts, about 1788; went to Canada about 1800, aged about 21; an “…original pioneer” in Grenville County, Ontario; he married firstly, Esther CAUL or CALL; with issue:
     a. John HOLDEN; of Prescott, Ontario; married FLINT.
     b. Erastus HOLDEN; of Belleville, Ontario; married Margaret HALL or HATT.
     c. Rufus HOLDEN; a Doctor; married in 1830, Mary CLEMENT.
     d. Hiram HOLDEN, born 16 August 1810; a Methodist; of Shannonville, Ontario; Merchant, Post Master and Clerk of the District Court; witnessed his sister Hester’s marriage in 1834; he married firstly, in Ontario, on 9 September 1834, to Letitia BUCK, first cousin of Letitia MAGUIRE of Dublin, the wife of John HOLDEN of Belfast, Hatter and Sewn Muslin Merchant, and of Holywood, County Down - see above); issue:
          i. Thomas Buck HOLDEN, born New York, 1840.
Hiram married secondly, at Belleville, Ontario, 27 May 1845, Maria HOWARD; she died in 1878, aged 55.
     e. Hester HOLDEN; married on 19 April 1834, Merrick SAWYER; they settled in Belleville. James married secondly, Cynthia WHITNEY; with further issue:
     f. David HOLDEN; married in 1835, Jane McFADDEN.
     g. James HOLDEN; witnessed his half-sister Hester’s marriage in 1834; married 1836, Chloe WOOD.
     h. Mary HOLDEN; married Erastus COUCH.
     j. Anna hOLDEN; married John mcMULLAN.
     k. Eliza HOLDEN; married Mathew ROBINSON.
     l. Lois HOLDEN; married George E. JOHNSTON.
     m. (daughter); married Lt-Colonel David WYLIE.

William HOLDEN, born in Ireland, about 1800; at Markham Township, Ontario, 1851 Census, aged 50, Pedlar, with wife and five children; married Mary Jane (-?-); she was aged 45 in 1851, and born in Ireland; issue:
1. Ellen HOLDEN, born in Canada, about 1820; aged 22, with parents, 1851.
2. Sinclair John HOLDEN, born in Canada about 1832; of Stouffville, Ontario, when he was married at Haldimand County, 7 May 1859, to Mary Jane SHEPHERD (she was aged 20, daughter of John and Jane SHEPPARD); they had issue:
     a. Anette Maria HOLDEN, born at Pickering, Ontario, 11 March 1871.
     b. Myra Christine HOLDEN, born at Pickering, 2 April 1881.
3. Margaret HOLDEN, born in Canada, about 1833; aged 17, with her parents, 1851.
4. William HOLDEN, born in Canada, about 1835; aged 16, with his parents, 1851.
5. Thomas HOLDEN born in Canada, about 1838; aged 13, with his parents, 1871.
6. Anne E. HOLDEN, born in Canada, about 1840; aged 11, with her parents, 1871.


Please feel free to e-mail me direct at cgpigott@yahoo.com.au if you have any questions, or are able to offer any further details for inclusion in the above.

Thursday, February 23, 2017

Sundry GORRIE Families in Perthshire, Scotland.

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I was very fortunate to have engaged in a prolific correspondence on GORRIE family history with Miss Jean AYLER, of York, between 1988 and 2004. As a retired British Rail employee, she had a generous retirement entitlement to reduced fare rail travel, and she used the privilege to visit and photograph old GORRIE haunts in Perthshire, and further west on the coast and in the Isles, particularly North Uist, where it is believed that the Perthshire GORRIE's originated. But she did much more than that - she delved deeply into the genealogies of these GORRIE families associated with Perthshire, and from other parts of Scotland as well.

We lost contact, but I have not yet published any of her research results, to which I had been able to add much detail of the Perthshire GORRIE family descendants in  Australia and New Zealand.

So, I begin now, starting with the ancestral family of a family history researcher who often occupies the adjoining research computer in the Family History section of the State Library of N.S.W. Just last week, he asked for my opinion on a resource he had located on ancestry.com, and to my utter surprise, it was for a Thomas GORRIE, whom the ancestry pedigree had presumed, in error, was a transported convict, and who was further identified as having resided in the Avisford-Mudgee district.

The "Sc" and "Au" identification numbers are those that appear in my larger paper draft. I hope to fill in the gaps between these first to postings, over time. To which I will add "Nz" numbers as well.


Donald Mantach GORRIE; died at Culmanwick, December 1674; married Christine DOUGLAS; with issue:
1. Janet GORRIE; she may have married in August 1683, Thomas GORRIE of Condoloich, with issue?
2. Margaret GORRIE; she may have married in January 1681, Donald STODDART, or instead in August 1692, William GORRIE?
3. Christine GORRIE.
4. Malcolm GORRIE; of Condocloich, 1697 and 1700; he was married with issue:
          a. John GORRIE, baptised at Fowlis Wester, 19 September 1697; named in Commissariat of Dunblane Testamentary records, dated 29 August 1728, of Condecleuch, with wife Christian and children Daniel and Janet, both minors; he married on 4 December 1720, Christian ALLAN (not to be confused with another John GORRIE and Christian ALLAN, married at Fowlis wester in 1730 - see Sc10 below); they had issue:
                    i. Malcom GORRIE, baptised 11 November 1721; probably die before 1728.
                    ii. Daniel GORRIE, baptised 10 March 1723; named in his father's will, 1728.
                    iii. Cathareine GORRIE, baptised 31 October 1725; probably died before 1728.
                    iv. Janet GORRIE, baptised 19 December 1726; named in he father's will, 1728.
          b. William GORRIE,baptised 28 April 1700; of Upper Condocloich, 1736; probably the tenant in Condocloich, who had issue:
                    i. John GORRIE, baptised 22 February 1730.
William probably married secondly, 3 October 1733, Janet STODDART; with further issue:
                    ii. Grizell GORRIE, baptised 16 December 1734; probably married Robert TAYLOR.
                    iii. Catharine GORRIE, born 27 April 1735.
                    iv. Margaret GORRIE, baptised 22 August 1736, of Upper Condocloich.
                    v. William GORRIE, baptised 10 December 1738; died young.
                    vi. Malcolm GORRIE, baptised 8 January 1744.
                    vii. William GORRIE, born 2 August 1745.
5. Isobel GORRIE.
6. Katherine GORRIE.


Alexander GORRIE was baptised at Redgorton, Perthshire, on 11 August 1737, son of  William GORRIE; his father was perhaps a son of Andrew GORRIE of Nether Benchill (1708, 1716), and a brother of James GORRIE of Drumgour (1732), and of John GORRIE of Kinclaven (1735, 1738).
Alexander was of West Airth, Parish of Kinclaven; he died before April 1815; he was married at Auchtergaven, on 30 May 1760, to Agnes DUFF; they had issue:
1. Beatrix GORRIE, baptised at Auchtergaven, 3 May 1761.
2. Mary GORRIE, baptised at Auchtergaven, 17 October 1763; residing with her mother at West Airth in 1815.
3. John GORRIE, baptised at Kinclaven, 24 July 1768; a Weaver in Kinclaven, 1815; at West Tofts, Kinclaven, 1841 Census, Linen Handloom Weaver, with wife and three children; he married, about 1797, Margaret (Betty) ELLIOT; with issue:
     a. Alexander GORRIE, baptised at Kinclaven, 29 March 1799.
     b. Christian GORRIE, baptised at Kinclaven, 30 June 1800; she was married at Kinclaven, 3 March 1828, to James MILLER.
     c. Margaret GORRIE, born 27 March 1802, and baptised at Kinclaven, 5 April; residing with her parents in 1841.
     d. Mary GORRIE, born 18 September 1803, and baptised at Kinclaven, 24 September; with her parents n 1841, a Cotton Reeler; died in Perth, 23 February 1880, a widow (informed by her nephew David MILLER); she was married at Kinclaven on 8 January 1843 to Peter FENWICK.
     e. Thomas GORRIE, born 8 April 1806, and baptised at Kinclaven, 14 April.
     f. Nancy GORRIE, born 12 August 1809, and baptised at Kinclaven, 21 August.
     g. Elizabeth GORRIE, born at Kinclaven, 29 September 1813; died at Stanley, 25 March 1889, aged 75; married on 20 December 1835, Joseph MILLER.
     h. John GORRIE, baptised at Kinclaven, 10 December 1815; residing with his parents in 1841, a Shoemaker; at West Toffs, Kinclaven, 1851 Census, Shoemaker employing one apprentice, with first wife and three children; still there in 1861, with first wife and four children; ditto, 1871, with second wife and four children; he died at Stanley, 8 December 1880, aged 65; he was married firstly, by proclamations at Kinclaven on 22 January 1843 and at Auchtergaven on 3 February 1843, to Isabel SCOTT; she died at Kinclaven in 1867, aged 52; with issue:
          i. John GORRIE, born at Kinclaven about 1844; with parents in 1851.
          ii. Alexander GORRIE, born at Kinclaven, 11 April 1847; with parents, 1851, 1861; Commercial Clerk and Cashier in Glasgow; died at  Anderston, 12 February 1901, aged 61; married firstly, at Blythswood, 7 October 1870, Jeannie Walker WHARRIE, who died at Cambuslang in 1871, aged 21; he married secondly, at Blythswood, 29 September 1875, Margaret DAVIDSON, who died at Tradeston in 1879, aged 22; he married thirdly, at Blythswood, in 1881, Agnes Orr McCORMACK, who died at Kelvin, in 1897, aged 43; issue by each wife.
          iii. Isabella GORRIE, baptised at Kinclaven, 1 April 1849; with her parents in 1851, 1861; died at Kinclaven in 1861.
          iv. Maxwell Johnston GORRIE, baptised at Kinclaven, 22 May 1853; with his parents in 1861; informed his father's death in 1880; Master Tailor, Pitcairngreen, Redgorton; died there in 1925 or 1927; married firstly, at Auchtergaven, in 1876, Helen MORRIS, who died at Redgorton in 1879; he married secondly, at Stanley, in 1886, Elizabeth Helen GOW, who died at Redgorton on 29 March 1933, aged 66; issue by second wife only.
          v. John GORRIE, born at Kinclaven, 18 May 1857; with parents in 1861, 1871; he informed his brother Alexander's death in 1909.
John married secondly, at Auchtergaven, on 30 April 1868, Christian McDuff CAMERON; she died at Leith on 10 December 1908, aged 78; by her, John had further issue:
          vii. Charles GORRIE, born at Kinclaven, 20 June 1869; with parents, 1871, 1881; died at Stanley, 6 March 1884, aged 14.
          viii. James Fleming Thomson GORRIE, born at Kinclaven, 9 October 1870; with parents, 1871, 1881, 1891; he informed his mother's death in 1908; he died at Leith in 1957, aged 86; married with issue.
          ix. Henry GORRIE, born at Kinclaven, 14 March 1873; with mother, 1881, 1891; died at Edinburgh Morningside, in 1949, aged 76.
4. Thomas GORRIE, baptised at Kinclaven, 29 March 1772; Musician, Skinner's Close, Edinburgh, 1794-1798; Musician, Burnet's Close, Edinburgh, 1807-1825; died before 1829; he married at Edinburgh Canongate, 19 May 1796, Elizabeth JOHNSTON; she was at Burnet's Close, Edinburgh, 1829-1831, Midwife; and at Pirrie's Close, 1831-1832; probable issue:
     a. John GORRIE, birth details not yet found, perhaps about 1797-1798; Trumpeter; Teacher of Music, at 209 High Street, Edinburgh (1822-1827), at 6 Niddry Street (1827-1828), and at 13 Carrubber's Close (1828-1835); he was married at Canongate, 23 February 1821, to Helen McINTOSH; with issue:
          i. Elizabeth GORRIE, born in Edinburgh, 19 July 1821.
          ii. Thomas GORRIE, born in Edinburgh, 23 June 1822. Probably the convicted burglar, transported to N.S.W. in 1840. See [A] below.
          iii. John GORRIE, born in Edinburgh, 9 November 1823; with his aunt Christina GORRIE in 1841, Glazier's Apprentice; Furniture Dealer in Leith; died at North Leith on 15 May 1894, aged 70, and buried at Rosebank Cemetery; married Margaret McLEOD; she died at Portobello on 13 December 1891, aged 60, a Licensed Broker. No known issue.
     b. Thomas GORRIE Junior, ditto, perhaps about 1799-1800; Musician, 13 Carrubber's Close, Edinburgh, 1826-1835.
     c. Elizabeth GORRIE, born 26 January 1802, and baptised at Canongate, 20 July; residing at 13 CArrubber's Close in 1835; married in Edinburgh, 17 August 1835, James McBAIN, Painter and Gilder, of 56 High Street, Tron Church parish, Edinburgh.
     d. Nanny GORRIE, born at Canongate, 20 July 1807; a twin.
     e. Alexander GORRIE, born ditto, the other twin; Teacher of Music, 13 Carrubber's Close, (1835-1846), at Bells Wynd (1837-1838; died at Edinburgh St Giles, 13 January 1855; married at Tron Church, Edinburgh, 18 April 1836, Harriet or Henrietta ABERDOUR, Bookbinder; she died in Edinburgh St Giles, on 7 June 1887, aged 73; issue:
          i. Elizabeth GORRIE, born Edinburgh about 1836; with her mother in 1851, aged 14.
          ii. Christian GORRIE, born 1840; died 1841.
          iii. Margaret GORRIE, born 1843; died 1844.
          iv. Alison GORRIE, born Edinburgh about 1850; with her mother in 1851, aged 1.
     f. Agnes GORRIE, born 25 December 1813; baptised at Canongate on 18 January.
     g. David GORRIE, born 3 January 1817, and baptised at Canongate on 18 January.
     h. Christian or Christina GORRIE, born 9 March 1818, and baptised at Canongate on 5 April; Dressmaker, 13 Carrubber's Close, 1841, with her nephew John GORRIE; she was married at Trinity college Parish, Edinburgh, on 2 August 1847, to Richard Donald ROBERTSON, Tailor.
5. Elizabeth GORRIE; residing with her mother at West Airth in 1815.


[A] Thomas GORRIE, born in Edinburgh; Upholsterer's Apprentice; appeared before the Edinburgh Court of Judiciary, 16 July 1839, as follows:
"William HENDRIE and Thomas GORRIE, charged with theft, aggravated by housebreaking and opening of lock-fast places, and further aggravated in the case of HENDRIE by previous conviction; pleaded Not Guilty. The Jury found HENDRIE Guilty as Libelled, with the exception of the theft in the second charge having been committed by opening lock-fast places, which they found Not Proven. Found the first charge against GORRIE Not Proven; found him guilty of the second charge, with the exception of the aggravation of breaking lock-fast places, and found him Guilty of the third charge, as Libelled. HENDRIE was sentenced to fourteen, and GORRIE to ten years' transportation." [Caledonian Mercury, Thursday 18 July 1839].
Although I am left wondering what the third charge actually was.
He and HENDRIE were transported to New south Wales on the ship Maitland, arriving in Sydney on 14 July 1840; Thomas had no previous convictions, and was described as 5 foot 6 and 3/4 inches in height; of Fair, ruddy and freckled complexion, brown hair and dark hazel eyes, with scars on left side of neck and back of thumb and little finger of left hand; single; Presbyterian, could read and write, aged 19, and a native of Edinburgh; granted his Ticket of Leave, 4 January 1844, for the Queanbeyan District; obtained his Certificate of Freedom on 5 February 1850 (#50/31). Whether the conditions of his Certificate prevented him from enjoying his freedom back in the British Isles is unclear (his partner-in-crime certainly was), it seems unlikely he would have had the resources to purchase a return ticket, at least not immediately.
He appears to have left no further trail in N.S.W. records as Thomas GORRIE.
He may have died in N.S.W. in 1856 [MJ Volume 155, #2033], as Thomas GOWRY. Indeed, the prefix code MJ was for the Burial Register of Canberry, otherwise Lake George and Queanbeyan, which is precisely the District for which convict Thomas GORRIE's Ticket-of-Leave was valid. However, the fiche of the Parish Register Index to the C.of E. Diocese of Canberra-Goulburn records his burial on 8 February 1856, aged 64 years, so born ca 1791 if his age was recorded correctly.
Jean AYLER recorded him as the son of John GORRIE, Trumpeter, and Helen McINTOSH (above).

Some family trees on Ancestry suggest this Thomas GORRIE was the one who settled at Avisford and married Jane STODDART. This appears highly unlikely, given that he (the transported convict) was born in Edinburgh, and not in Methven, and was evidently about four or five years older. Further, it is evident that the Methven Thomas was not in N.S.W. in 1849 (when his brother David arrived, naming only one relation then in N.S.W. a brother John GORRIE of Hartley), and he was still in Methven in 1851 (Census returns, residing with his widowed half-sister Elizabeth PATON). See below.


Hugh GORRIE; married at Moneydie, 11 November 1764, Betty McLEISH; issue:
1. Agnes GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 24 November 1765; probably died young.
2. John GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 17 January 1768; Farmer at Burnside, and at Moss-side of Tibbermallo near Methven, 1841 Census, aged 70+, with second wife and ten children; died on 1 May 1846, aged 78; he was married firstly, in November 1793, to Helen HUNTER, who died on 8 March 1810, aged 39; they had issue:
     a. John GORRIE, born at Burnside, 5 October 1794; evidently died young.
     b.  Hugh GORRIE, born at Burnside and baptised on 8 May 1796; informed his brother James's death in 1860; probably went to Yorkshire; Bailiff of the Thorp Perrow Estate, 1841, 1851; died at Fairfield Estate, York, in September 1866, aged 70; Scottish Inventory recorded a residence in Methven; he married firstly, to Elizabeth, who died before 1843; he married secondly, on 12 May 1843, Margaret HUME, of West Rain Parish of Well, near Thorpe Perry (his father recorded as John GORRIE, Farmer); she died before 1847; Hugh married thirdly, September quarter 1847, to Ann; she died on 18 December 1848, aged 41; no known issue.
     c. George GORRIE, born at Burnside, 15 October 1797; Miller, of Perth, 1866, when he organised Hugh GORRIE of York's Inventory; of Paul Street, Perth, 1841 to 1881 censuses; died on 6 May 1882, and buried at Wellshill Cemetery; he was married at Dundee, in 1827, to Catherine SMITH (daughter of William SMITH and Catherine THOMSON); she died at Paul Street, Perth, on 1 September 1878, aged 68 [M.I. at Wellshill]; issue:
          i. Elizabeth GORRIE, born at Dundee, 6 July 1828; died at Dundee on 21 March 1915; married at Perth, on 4 April 1851, to John FARQUHARSON, MAster Plumber; with issue.
          ii. John GORRIE, born at Perth, 22 November 1829; Baker, of 7 Paul Street, Perth, 1850-51; went to Australia in 1852; Baker, Little Bourke Street, Melbourne; he placed a notice in the S.M.H., in May 1855, anxiously requesting that his uncles John, David and Thomas GORRIE, late of Methven, contact him; he died on 19 January 1865; he married Elizabeth GARRICK, with issue.
          iii. Catherine GORRIE, born at Perth, 1 October 1831; went to Australia, before 1860.
          iv. George GORRIE, born at Perth, 17 October 1833; buried at Wellshill, 24 September 1837, aged 3.
          v. William GORRIE, born at Perth, 12 October 1835; buried at Wellshill, 23 september 1836, aged 11 months [Perth Burial Register].
          vi. stillborn child, Perth, 21 January 1838 (this date conflicts with the next).
          vi. Jean GORRIE, born at Perth, 8 June 1838 (perhaps in error for 1839?); she was married at Perth, on 3 July 1863, to James GRAY, Watchmaker; they went to Edinburgh.
          vii. David GORRIE, born at Perth on 6 October 1841; Flour Miller, with parents, 1861; Joiner, of 29 Paton's Lane, Dundee, 1881; he died at Dundee, 30 August 1882, aged 40; he was married at Dundee St Clements, on 26 November 1875, to Mary RENNIE, a widow (with a son, Samuel RENNIE); she was at Kincardine Street, Dundee, in 1891, with her son; with issue.
          vii. Christina GORRIE, born at Perth, 16 September 1843; married at Dundee, John THOMSON, Blacksmith.
          viii. Helen GORRIE, born at Perth, 5 October 1843; died at 4 Paul Street, perth, January 1872, aged 36, unmarried.
          ix. Thomas GORRIE, born at Perth, 26 December 1847; Iron-moulder in Perth; died at 4 Paul Street, Perth, on 28 December 1913, aged 66, and buried at Wellshill; he married at Dundee, 23 June 1873, Isabella Lassells DOUGLAS; she died on 19 July 1922, aged 72 [M.I., Wellshill]; issue.
          x. George GORRIE, born at Perth, about 1853; Coach-smith; died at Perth, 2 March 1942, aged 89 [M.I., Wellshill]; married at Little Dunkeld, 23 March 1881, Elizabeth MENZIES (daughter of James MENZIES, Innkeeper, and Ann DOW); she died at Perth, 17 May 1921, aged 60; issue.
          xi. Mary GORRIE, born at Perth, 16 May 1855; Framer; died at Aberfeldy, 13 January 1950, aged 94; married James McKERCHAR, Cabinet Maker; he died in 1944; issue.
     d. James GORRIE, born 24 August 1799; Farmer, at Meckphen, Methven Parish, 1851 Census; died at Methven, 5 June 1860, aged 60; will confirmed, 19 June 1861; he married at Methven, 20 March 1831, Janet PATON (her brother James married his sister Elizabeth GORRIE); she died on 30 August 1878, aged 67; issue:
          i. Helen GORRIE, born 24 July 1831; died at Newington, Edinburgh, 27 August 1901; married James MENZIES, Hotel Keeper; with issue.
          ii. John GORRIE, born 4 April 1833; at home, with parents, 1851; went to New Zealand in 1864.
          iii. Janet GORRIE, born 22 November 1834; married in 1855, James McFARLANE, Ploughman, of Methven.
          iv. Daniel GORRIE, born 10 August 1836; went to New Zealand in 1865.
          v. Christina GORRIE, born 8 September 1838; died at East Kilbride, 6 July 1908, aged 70; married in 1862, Andrew HEGGIE, Land Steward.
          vi. Hugh GORRIE,born 30 April 1840; died before 1851.
          vii. James GORRIE, born 12 December 1841; died before 1843.
          viii. Jane GORRIE, born 1 July 1843; with parents in 1851; married in Dublin, Robert BEGG, Butcher; with issue, some born in Scotland; as a widow, she went to New Zealand.
          ix. George GORRIE, born 24 February 1845; went to New Zealand in 1869.
          x. Elizabeth GORRIE, born 10 November 1846; went to New Zealand.
          xi. David GORRIE, born 1849; aged 1, with parents in 1851; married twice with issue.
          xii. Hugh GORRIE, born 9 May 1851; went to New Zealand in 1871.
          xiii. Catherine GORRIE, born 1855; died at Methven, 2 October 1856.
     e. Mary GORRIE, born at Moss-side, 22 November 1801; probably died young.
     f. Elizabeth GORRIE, born at Moss-side, 5 December 1805; at Kirk Road, Methven, 1851 Census, a widow, with her half-brother Thomas and nephews John and David GORRIE (sons of her half-brother Robert); she died at Methven, 14 December 1883, aged 80; she married at Methven, 30 October 1831, James PATON (his sister Janet married her brother James GORRIE); he died on 7 April 1840; issue unknown.
     g. Lilias GORRIE, born at Moss-side, 15 December 1805; died young.
     h. John GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 12 June 1808; died young.
     j. William GORRIE, born at Moss-side, 1 June 1809; died young.
John married secondly, at Methven, 19 December 1813, Christian SIMMIE; she was at Moss-side, 1841, aged 45+; she died at Methven, 6 October 1841, aged 48; with further issue:
     k. David GORRIE, born 9 October 1814; at Moss-side, 1841, aged 25+; married at Methven, 11 August 1849, Catherine BELL; they arrived in Sydney on the ship Sarah on 10 December 1849 (his brother John GORRIE, living at Hartley, was the only relative recorded in David's immigration indent as living in N.S.W.); Stockman; on 28 May 1855, the Sydney Morning Herald published this notice - "If this should meet the eye of John, David or Thomas GORRIE, from Methven, Perthshire, Scotland, they are anxiously requested to communicate with their nephew, John GORRIE, Baker, 109 Little Bourke Street, Melbourne"; David died at Piper's Flat near Sofala, 11 December 1889; Catherine died at Piper's Flat, 17 May 1881; they had issue:
          i. John GORRIE, born at Wallerawang, 24 November 1850; Carrier; he died at Mudgee, 11 January 1899, of T.B.; he married at Mudgee, 12 April 1882, Sarah Maria SMITH, who is said to have deserted him during the wedding reception, and died at Camden on 1 January 1945, as Sarah Maria CROSS; she had issue, probably by George CROSS, who were named in her death registration (Walter Hyslop GORRIE, Allan Victor GORRIE, Stanley GORRIE, and Dorothy GORRIE alias CROSS alias DELANEY).
          ii. Ann GORRIE, born at Wallerawang, 10 August 1852; died at Sunny Corner, 1893; married at Hartley, 182, William DOBBIE; with issue.
          iii. Christina Simmie GORRIE, born 3 September 1854; died at Hartley, 30 December 1861, aged 7.
          iv. Thomas B. GORRIE, born at Hartley, 1856; died there on 6 February 1862, aged 6.
          v. Catherine GORRIE, born at Hartley, 1858; died at Wallerawang, 18 February 1916; married at Hartley, 1879, Francis (or Fred) Walker NICOL; with issue.
          vi. Mary GORRIE, born at Hartley, 1860; possibly married at Lithgow in 1883, William John MATTHEWS.
          vii. David GORRIE, born at Hartley, 1862; died at Wickham, 4 February 1896; married at Liverpool, 1891, Fanny Jane TAPPING; with issue.
          viii. Georgina Walker GORRIE, born at Piper's Flat, HArtley, 1865; she married at Lithgow, 4 October 1890, Edmund Charles LANE; with issue.
     m. John GORRIE, born at Methven, 25 December 1815; went to Australia about 1840-41 (his death registration recorded him in N.S.W. for 45 years); living at Hartley in 1849 when his brother David arrived in N.S.W.; Stockman; died at Blackman's Flat, 28 March 1886 (his M.I. at Wallerawang records his death at Piper's Flat, and his Death Duties File records the death at Tagoomgoingoin, County Gowan); unmarried.
     n. Robert GORRIE, born 24 December 1817; at Moss-side, 1841, aged 20+; married in October 1845, Jane BROWN, with issue:
          i. John GORRIE, born about 1846; aged 2, with his aunt Elizabeth PATON in 1851; went to America.
          ii. David GORRIE, born about 1848; aged 2, with his aunt ditto.
     p. Mary GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 17 April 1819; at Moss-side, 1841, aged 20+; died at Methven, 11 March 1876; married at Methven, 12 September 1846, Thomas BELL, Schoolmaster.
     q. Jean GORRIE, born 9 April 1821; at Moss-side, 1841, aged 18 (? 15+); died at Methven, 3 January 1909; married at Methven, 26 August 1848, Daniel MURRIE, Blacksmith; issue:
          i. David MURRIE; informed his mother's death in 1909.
          ii. Mary MURRIE; informed her aunt Mary BELL's death in 1876.
     r. William GORRIE, born 12 May 1823; at Moss-side, 1841, aged 15+; Marine Engineer; of 64 Salop Street, Walton Road, Liverpool; died at West Derby, Liverpool, 17 May 1864; married at Scone, Perthshire, 27 December 1847, Mary WHITEHEAD; she died in 1864; issue:
          i. Christine GORRIE, baptised at Liverpool St Nicholas, 11 June 1848; died at West Derby, 1867, aged 19.
          ii. Mary GORRIE, born 1853; with her aunt Mary BELL in 1871.
          iii. William GORRIE, born 1857; ast Mate Cert, 1887; Master, Cert, 1889, Liverpool; Manager of the Kidderpore Docks, Calcutta; died at Plymouth, 12 February 1917; married, probably in India, Georgiana KINGHORN; she died in 1932; with issue.
     s. Thomas GORRIE, born on 8 April 1826, "... son to John GORRIE, Farmer in Moss-side of Tippermallo, and Christian SIMMIE his wife," and was baptised at Methven Parish Church, 23 April [Baptismal register entry viewed on the Scotlandspeople.gov.uk website]; Thomas was not recorded with his parents and nine siblings at Moss-side of Tippermallo in the 1841 Census - this absence is a little perplexing, but was not permanent; Thomas was at Kirk Road, Methven, 1851 Census, aged 24, born Methven, Writer's Clerk, and residing with his widowed older half-sister, Elizabeth PATTON (aged 45, born Methven, Domestic Duties) and their two young GORRIE nephews; Thomas evidently went to New South Wales in about 1852 (his 1873 death registration recorded him in N.S.W. for 20 years - informed by G. LUCKIE, Farmer, Avisford, family relationship, if any, unknown, but he was residing with Thomas when he made his will); Thomas settled in the Mudgee District; Storekeeper at Gunanguwa, 1855; Butcher at Louisa Creek, 1857; Postmaster at Avisford, 1857-69; Butcher at Avisford, 1862; Licensed Publican, White House Hotel, Avisford, from October 1871; he died at Avisford on 19 March 1873, aged 47 (Rev Alexander McEWEN of Mudgee and James STODHART of Dubbo made application for probate of the estate of Thomas GORRIE of Avisford, Miner, in April 1873 - LUCKIE was also named in Thomas's will as a residual beneficiary in the event that Thomas's widow died or re-married, when he would receive half the residue, the other half to be divided equally among Thomas's surviving children - one might speculate that Thomas may have left Jane to look after the Hotel and the Post Office, and gone out to try his luck at mining, perhaps in partnership with Mr LUCKIE).
In May 1854 was married at "... Mudgee, on the 16th instant, by the Rev Dr GUNTHER, Thomas, son of the late Mr John GORRIE, Farmer, Moss-side, Perthshire, Scotland, to Jane, eldest daughter of Mr William STOTHARD, Orwell Park, Nacton, Suffolk, England" [S.M.H., Saturday 27 May] - this notice, while lacking the "Home papers please copy" tag, appears to be aimed at alerting home papers to run with it anyway (and to my eyes, it has the "flavour" of a free settler, not a Ticket-of-Leave or a C.P. man); Jane died at Mudgee on 26 September 1918, having had two further children (Alice Maud GORRIE and Frederick Ernest GORRIE) by un-named fathers, and she married secondly, at Mudgee in 1888, Frederick LEEDER - her death registration identified her parents as William STODDART, Gardener, and Jane THREADER; with issue:
          i. John Hugh GORRIE, born at Gunaguwa, Avisford, on 31 March 1855 [Maitland Mercury, 25 April 1855]; Horse Trainer in Mudgee; died at Mudgee on 28 December 1931; married at Mudgee, 4 December 1878, Elizabeth Ann DAY; she died at Mudgee, 8 February 1923; with issue.
          ii. Christina Ann GORRIE, born at Mudgee, 31 December 1858; died at Mudgee, 1865.
          iii. William Stothard GORRIE, born at Avisford, 11 September 1860; died near Mudgee on 15 August 1914; married at Hill End, 1887, Caroline Louisa LOVETT; with issue.
          iv. Mary Lilias GORRIE, born at Avisford, 7 August 1862; she died at Auburn, 1941; she married at Mudgee in 1885, George William PATEMAN; with issue.
          v. Jemima Stothard GORRIE, born at Avisford, 15 July 1864; died at Gulgong, 1944; married in 1886, Jacob PARKINS; with issue.
          vi. Christina Ann GORRIE, born at Mudgee, 18 September 1866; she died at Mudgee in 1932; she married at Mudgee, 1886, John James PATEMAN; with issue.
          vii. George Thomas GORRIE, born at Mudgee, 5 December 1868; died at Avisford, 25 April 1948; he married in 1898, Bridget Georgina PILLEY; with issue.
          viii. Richard James GORRIE, born at Mudgee, 20 March 1871; died at Gulgong, 5 April 1957; he married at redfern, 1905, Cecilia FARRER; with issue.
          ix. Albert Edward GORRIE, born at Mudgee, 16 April 1873; he died at Murrumburra, 14 March 1945; he married at Mudgee, 1905, Ann PILLEY; with issue.
     t. Lilias GORRIE, born 5 July 1828; at Moss-side, 1841, aged 12; married at Methven, 30 August 1851, John ALLEN.
     u. Richard GORRIE, born 13 January 1831; at Moss-side, 1841, aged 10; Marine Engineer (Cunard Line); died at Liverpool, Lancashire, 23 May 1874; married at Liverpool, 1855, Mary Ann COATES; she died at West Derby, Lancs, in 1901, aged 72; issue:
          i. John Henry GORRIE, born 1857; died 1892, unmarried.
          ii. Mary GORRIE, born 1859; died 1936; married her cousin, Frederick Henry COATES.
          iii. Richard GORRIE, born Liverpool,about 1861; Milling Engineer; married at West Derby, 1895, Amalia Katherine KLUG, with issue; they went to New Zealand in 1912.
          iv. William GORRIE, born 1864; died in 1960; Schoolteacher, Liverpool and Cheshire area.
     v. Ann Murray GORRIE, born 28 October 1832; at Moss-side, 1841, aged 8; Outfitter, 15 Brougham Street, Edinburgh, 1881; died at Methven, 9 September 1909, aged 76, unmarried.
     w. Christina GORRIE, born at Methven, 26 January 1835; at Moss-side, 1841, aged 6; Outfitter, with her sister in Edinburgh, 1881 and 1891; died at Edinburgh, 2 February 1902, aged 65, unmarried.
3. Bathia GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 11 July 1770.


William GORRIE, born about 1750; a Weaver in Methven; he may have been buried at Methven on 22 December 1822, aged 56, although if this age is correct, too young for a marriage in 1776; he married at Methven, 3 March 1776, Janet SCOTT of Abernethie; they had issue:
1. William GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 13 July 1777; probably died young, perhaps the 15 May 1784 burial at Methven.
2. John GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 16 May 1779; probably also died young, and buried at methven on 11 August 1785.
3. Elizabeth GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 3 September 1781.
4. Lawrence GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 21 March 1783; buried at Methven, 28 July 1785.
5. John GORRIE, born at Methven, 1785. Perhaps in error for the 11 August burial.
6. James GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 1 April 1787 or 19 April 1789 (unless two, the earlier dying young). See [Z] below.
7. May GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 25 December 1791; a Cotton Handloom Weaver, at West Half Methven, 1841 Census, aged 45+, living alone; a Merchant Grocer, Elder Street, Methven, 1851 Census; she died at Methven, 21 March 1867, aged 75, the death informed by her cousin James GORRIE; will confirmation, 12 October 1867, estate valued at 276 pounds; unmarried.
8. William GORRIE, baptised at MEthven, 4 or 7 January 1795; he died at Methven, 9 July 1872; aged 84; he married at Methven, 12 October 1817, Ann YOUNG; she died at Denny, 14 February 1876, aged 91; they had issue:
     a. Thomas G. GORRIE, born about 1836; went to N.S.W. See Au128V below.
9. Margaret GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 22 May 1796, her father recorded as William GORRIE Junior - suggesting there was a William GORRIE Senior, perhaps her grandfather.
10. Helen GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 10 January 1801.
11. Andrew GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 9 July 1803.

[Z] James GORRIE, born 1787; a Papermaker, of Woodend, near Methven; he died at Redgorton, 12 February 1834, aged 45, and was buried at Pitcairn, Redgorton; he married at Methven, 19 November 1809, Janet WITHERSPOON; she was at Printfield, Ruthven, 1841 Census, aged 50+, with six children; she was at Tibbermore, 1851 Census, a Widow, with four unmarried children; they had issue:
1. Peter GORRIE, born at Bridgeton, Redgorton, 20 December 1810, and baptised 30 December; at Cromwell Beetling Mill, Cromwell Park, 1861 Census, Beetler of Linen Cloth, with wife and five children; he died at Redgorton, 5 February 1866, aged 56 (parents named in registration); he married at Redgorton, 2 January 1842, Grace DUFF (born at Little Dunkeld, about 1813), both of Cromwell Park; she was at Craighead, Redgorton, 1871, aged 58, Widow, Washerwoman; she died i 1883;  they had issue:
     a. James GORRIE, born at Redgorton, 27 October 1842, and baptised 27 November; informed his father's death in 1866; Teacher, Polwarth Duns, Berwickshire, 1880, when he informed his sister Margaret's death; of Kielder, Newcastle-on-Tyne, 1883, when he informed his mother's death.
     b. Helen GORRIE, born at Redgorton, 14 May 1844, and baptised 14 June; Cloth Beetler, aged 25, with her mother in 1871 Census, unmarried.
     c. Janet GORRIE, born at Redgorton, 28 May 1846, and baptised 14 June; as Jessie, with her parents in 1861.
     d. John GORRIE, born at Redgorton, 16 November 1848, with his parents in 1861; Ironmonger in Perth; he married at Redgorton, 19 December 1873, Grace HEPBURN (aged 23); they had issue:
          i. Jessie GORRIE, born at Perth, 1 May 1874.
          ii. Peter GORRIE, born at Perth, 25 July 1875.
     e. Robert GORRIE, born at Redgorton, 29 May 1851, and baptised 22 June; with his parents, 1861; Iron Moulder, aged 19, with mother, 1871; probably the Commercial Traveller, 8 Pembroke Place, Liverpool, 1881 Census, with wife and three children; and if so, he died at Liverpool, March quarter 1915, aged 63; he married at Dunfermline, 31 December 1873, Robina ADAMSON; with issue:
          i. Jean Murray GORRIE, born at Dunfermline, 16 June 1874.
          ii. Peter GORRIE, born at Dunfermline, 18 March 1876; probably a Stationer's Assistant, Silverdale Avenue, then Hilberry Avenue, Liverpool, 1915-36; probably married with issue - a son George Henry GORRIE, Plumber, died at West Lancashire, 1982.
2. William GORRIE, born at Woodend, Methven, 27 February 1815, and baptised 5 March; at Huntingtower near Methven, Tibbermore, 1841 Census, Labourer, with wife; at Tullock Row, Perth, 1851 Census, Bleacher, with wife and four children; he married at Tibbermore, 25 December 1840, Jane DAVIE (born at Tibbermore about 1816, daughter of James DAVIE and Rose CAMPBELL);  they had issue:
     a. James GORRIE, born at Tibbermore, about 1842; with parents, 1851, aged 9.
     b. John GORRIE, born at Tibbermore, about 1844; with parents, 1851, aged 7.
     c. Janet GORRIE, born at Tibbermore, about 1847; with parents, 1851, aged 4.
     d. William GORRIE, born at Tibbermore, 1850; with parents, 1851, aged 7 months.
They went to Australia in 1854, on the ship Lightning, departing Liverpool on 13 May, with their four children. See Au113V below.
3. James GORRIE, born at Woodend, Methven, 27 February 1819 (the old I.G.I. recorded a James baptised at Methven on 15 November 1816, perhaps another who died young?); with his mother in 1841, aged 20+, Agricultural Labourer; with his mother, 1851, aged 32, MAchine Fenter (?); he went to Australia before 1859. See Au116V below.
4. Thomas GORRIE, born at Woodend, 28 December 1820, and baptised at Methven, 4 June 1821; with mother, 1841, aged 15+, Calico Apprentice; he married at Glasgow, 1843, Isabella McGREGOR; they had issue:
     a. a daughter, died before July 1855.
     b. James GORRIE, born about 1845; aged 13 on arrival in New Zealand, 1858.
     c. Ellen GORRIE, born about 1847; aged 8 on arrival in N.Z., 1858.
     d. Andrew GORRIE, born about 1850; aged 8 on arrival in N.Z., 1858.
     e. Jane GORRIE, born abut 1853; aged 5 on arrival in N.Z., 1858.
     f. William GORRIE, born at Milton of Campsie, Stirling, 1 July 1855; aged 3 on arrival in N.Z., 1858.
They emigrated to New Zealand in 1858 on the ship Oliver Lang. See Nz204W below.
5. Henry GORRIE, born at Methven, about 1824; with mother, 1841, aged 20+, Calico Printer; with his mother, 1851 Census, Print Cutter; aged 30 when he emigrated to Australia on the ship Lightning, with brothers William and Andrew. See Au114V below.
6. Andrew GORRIE, born 27 April 1827; with mother, 1841, Agricultural labourer; emigrated to Australia on the ship Lightning, 1854. See Au115V below.
7. David GORRIE, born about 1828; with his mother, 1841; with his mother in 1851, a Machine Engraver; he emigrated to Australia before 1862. See Au121V below.
8. Janet GORRIE, born about 1830; with her mother, 1841, aged 10; with her mother, 1851, a Warehouse girl; she went to Australia about 1852, and married Richard PROUSE. See Au109V. They went to New Zealand. See Nz203W further below.


John GORRIE, born about 1748; Weaver in Methven; granted by William PEDDIE and William MOOR, 10 May 1797, a "... tenement of two stories and attic in Easter Clayholes of Perth, and the garden land immediately in front, and the buildings built thereon, and vacant land behind"; John was granted a tack by Hon David SMYTHE of Methven, 9 April 1800; he died of asthma, and was buried at Methven on 15 November 1822, aged 74; his will, dated 24 January 1805, was confirmed on 13 April 1825; William probably married firstly, Margaret MAXTON of Aberdalgie, by proclamations at Aberdalgie on 3 August 1776, and at Methven on 4 August;she evidently died about late 1790, perhaps due to complications arising from her giving birth to twins; issue:
1. James GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 13 Jul 1777 (perhaps born 13 Oct 1776, unless there were two?); named as eldest son in his father's will, 1805.
2. David GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 17 January 1779 (ditto 13 October 1778, ditto); probably died before 1797-98, & perhaps the child of John GORRIE buried at Methven on 8 July 1785.
3. John GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 7 March or 27 May 1781 (the earlier date was a baptism in the Methven Free Church Register); named in his father's will, 1805, as the third lawful son and as the beneficiary of the Clayholes Estate; he died before his father.
4. George GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 15 December 1782; probably died before 1805, and perhaps instead the 1785 burial at Methven (? instead of David above).
5. William GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 30 April 1786; he appears to have gone to Charleston, South Carolina, but returned to Perth to stake his claim to the Clayholes property left to his brother John; not named in his father's will, so probably then already in America.
There are some indications that this may be the William GORRIE of Perth, Confectioner, who emigrated to New Zealand in 1840. See Sc57 and Nz201A below.
6. Margaret GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 6 or 16 September 1787; probably died before 1792.
7. Peter GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 19 September 1790; evidently identified as Patrick in his father's will, 1805.
John GORRIE Senior married secondly, at Methven, 30 October 1791, Elizabeth BENNETT; he had further issue by his "... present wife Elizabeth" [1805 Will], as follows:
8. Margaret GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 28 October 1792; not named in her father's will, perhaps already dead.
9. Elizabeth GORRIE, baptise at Methven, 2 February 1794; named in her father's will; married at Methven, 3 December 1826, Andrew SMITH of Carsehill, near Methven, Farmer; he died in 1857, aged 70; issue:
     a. Andrew SMITH; aged 21, with his parents, 1851; at Carsehill, 1876; at Moss-side, Methven, 1891; died in 1907; married Isabella GELLATLY, with issue:
          i. Andrew SMITH; at Moss-Side, 1911; married in 1909, Mary Spence GRIEVE, with issue.
     b. Elizabeth SMITH; aged 22, with her parents, 1851 Census.
10. Janet GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 3 January 1796; named in her father's will
11. David GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 16 December 1797 or 1798; named in his father's will, 1805.
12. May GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 10 November 1799; named in her father's will, 1895; died in november 1878, aged 78; married on 7 July 1822, James GREGOR or McGREGOR; he made his father-in-law's inventory on 13 April 1825; they had issue:
     a. Elizabeth McGREGOR, baptised at Methven, 28 August 1824; married in December 1846, John MONCRIEFF; they went to Australia, May 1852.
     b. James McGREGOR, baptised at Methven, 23 October 1826; died at Methven, July 1874.
     c. Janet McGREGOR, baptised at Methven, 19 July 1829; died at Methven, July 1888.
     d. May McGREGOR, baptised at Methven, 25 July 1832; died at Main Street, Methven, August 1911.
     e. John McGREGOR, baptised at Methven, 13 October 1835; died at Strachur, 18 July 1913; married isabella MORRISON, of Inverglen, Strachur; she died at Strachur, 9 August 1892; with issue.
     f. Ann McGREGOR, baptised at Methven, 27 August 1838.
     g. Margaret McGREGOR, baptised at Methven, 7 May 1841; died at Methven, May 1909.
     h. Hugh McGREGOR, baptised at Methven, 31 May 1844.
12. Hugh GORRIE, baptised at Methven, 28 September 1802; named in his father's will, 1805.
13. Ann GORRIE, born at Methven; named in her father's will, 1805; she died at Bishophall, 5 December 1891, aged 86; married on 30 November 1828 William NAIRN, with issue:
     a. William NAIRN, born at Methven, 1831; died at Cassochie, Methven, 24 February 1910; unmarried.
     b. Janet NAIRN, born at Methven, 1835; married on 31 December 1861, Robert CROCKART, with issue.
     c. Ann NAIRN, born at Methven, 1837; married on 29 August 1860, George RICHARDSON of Cassochie; issue.
     d. John NAIRN, born at Methven, 1839; died at Forteviot Farm, 3 May 1921.
     e. Elizabeth NAIRN, born at Methven, 1841; married on 10 December 1867, Alex PATON of Kinclaven; with issue.
     f. James NAIRN, born at Methven, 1844.


William GORRIE was born at Methven, 27 April 1786 [family records in New Zealand], so inevitably the 30 April Methven baptism, parents John GORRIE and Margaret MAXTON (see Sc39 above); William was probably one of two named in Perth North Associate Session Minutes as having "... lately failed in their worldly circumstances," for which a committee found nothing scandalous about their behaviour, the Session having earlier noted "... the distressing situation may were in by the failure of trade and reduction of wages"; William was ordained an Elder by the Session, 1833, and was first entered in minutes as such, November 1833; William advertised his new shop in Perth, May 1828 - "W. GORRIE, Confectioner, returns his grateful thanks to the Nobility, Gentry and Public of Perth and its vicinity, for the liberal share of patronage which he has experienced from them; and begs to intimate that, for the better accommodation of his retail customers, he has OPENED that SHOP, 32 George Street... His general Trade and Wholesale business will be carried on solely at his former shop, 98 High Street... Perth" [Perthshire County Gazette, 29 May]; William was directory listed at 7 Athole Place, Perth, house above, Confectioner, 1837-38; William was further recorded in Session Minutes dated 22 May 1840, as being "... removed from the bounds of the Congregation to go to a foreign country" - his "quarter" (presumably as Elder), being Charlotte Street, North Port, Curfew Row, all to the east of Kinnoul Street, including the east side of Kinnoul Street, Crescent and Athole Place, ent to R. CLINT; William and his family, together with a new wife, emigrated to New Zealand on the Brig Deborah, which sailed from London about July-August 1840. See Nz201 below.
William married firstly, at the Perth North Associate Session Antiburgher Church, 1 September 1815, Mary SCOTT; she was born on 27 June 1794, daughter of John SCOTT of Broxden in Aberalgie, Farmer, and Janet GARVIE; she died in Perth, 27 June 1831, aged 36, & was buried at Perth on 30 June; they had issue:
1. Janet GORRIE, born at Perth, 4 or 14 June 1816, & baptised at the Associate Congregational Church, 2 July; she died at Perth on 25 February 1818, due to "teething," and was buried at Perth, 27 February.
2. Elizabeth GORRIE, born at Perth, 3 April 1818, & baptised at ditto, 12 April; went to New Zealand with her father.
3. John GORRIE, born at Perth, 28 July 1820, and baptised at ditto, 31 July; went to N.Z. with his father.
4. William GORRIE, born at Perth, 25 May 1822, and baptised at ditto, 14 March; died 13 October 1823, of "chincough," and buried at Perth, 16 October.
5. William GORRIE, born at Perth, 9 March 1824, and baptised at ditto, 14 March; went to N.Z. with his father.
6. Mary GORRIE, born at Perth, 19 April 1825 or 1826, & baptised at ditto, 23 May; went to N.Z. with her father.
7. Harriet GORRIE, born at Perth, 24 May 1827, and baptise at dtto, 27 May; went to N.Z. with her father.
8. Dinah GORRIE, born at Perth, 2 October 1829, and baptised at ditto, 4 October.
9. James GORRIE, born at Perth, 11 May 1831, and baptised at ditto, 15 May; went to N.Z. with his father.
William married secondly, at Perth, 13 February 1840, Mary MORTON; she was born on 19 May 1810, a daughter of Andrew MORTON, Farmer, of Gallowmuir, Forgandenny, and Elizabeth THOMSON; she went to N.Z. with her husband and his children.


William GORRIE, Confectioner of Perth, with his wife and seven children, arrived in the Brig Deborah at the Bay of Islands on 26 November 1840 [N.Z. Gazette, Saturday 19 December]; he settled firstly at Awaroa, near Whangarei, where he purchased 2,000 acres of the Greenhill property (Margaret Johnson SCOTT, Mrs Mary GORRIE's younger sister, married at Kororareka in 1841, John CARRUTH of Whangarei, which is perhaps why William and Mary went there); the local Maori were not impressed, and when John CARRUTH destroyed some property regarded by the Maori as "tapu," a mob of armed natives from Munga Kahia made a  "muru" raid, between 3 and 6 March 1842, in which William's holding was plundered of 44 pounds worth of goods, and, among others, John CARRUTH and his brothers lost a similar amount [Bay of Islands Observer, 7 April]; the GORRIEs were subjected to another "muru" raid in 1843, but due to the intervention of Gilbert MAIR, who spoke fluent Maori, they were persuaded to break off their plundering, and under the glow of a "... magnificent comet lighting up the landscape," they departed with the tide, "... singing their rhythmical songs" [Nancy Preece PICKMERE, in her "Whangarei, The Founding Years," 1986].
These encounters led the authorities to evacuate the European settlers in April 1845, and William took his family to Auckland, where he "... commenced business in High Street as a Confectioner, Lozenge manufacturer and Pastry cook" in premises owned by David WHITE [New Zealander, 9 September 1845]; he removed to Shortland Crescent, nearly opposite the Exchange Hotel, in August 1846 [New Zealander, 29 August].
William was instrumental in the establishment of the Presbyterian Church for the Colonial Committee of the Free Church of Scotland, commencing in May 1847, and which was in use by late 1849; by January 1850, he was advertising that he "... had commenced making minced pies, scotch buns, etc" [New Zealander, 1 January]; and in September 1852, he advertised his retirement from the retail business in Shortland Street, and opening a new wholesale confectionary business in Pitt Street [New Zealander, 15 September]; he died at his residence in Pitt Street, Auckland, on 24 February 1861, aged 74, and was buried at the Symonds Street Cemetery, Grafton; by his will, he bequeathed land in Wellington Street for the construction of a new church, to seat 550, which was opened in April 1865 by his son John GORRIE [Rev John DICKSON, M.A., in his "History of the N.Z. Presbyterian Church," Dunedin, 1899].
Mary GORRIE died at Ponsonby, 10 September 1877, aged 67, and was buried in Auckland by Rev Mr RUNCIMAN, 12 September.
William had further issue in New Zealand by his 2nd wife Mary MORTON:
10. William GORRIE, born on the Deborah, lying at anchor in the Bay of Islands, 30 November 1840, and was baptised by Rev Barzillai QUAIFE at Kororareka on 4 January 1841.
11. Margaret Johnston GORRIE, born at Whangarei in 1842; she died at Shortland Street, 21 September 1848, of water on the chest,  aged 6, and was buried at Symonds Street Cemetery on 23 September.
12. Jessie GORRIE, born at Whangarei, 11 March 1845; died in Auckland, 3 February 1849, and was buried at Symonds Street Cemetery, aged 3 years 11 months.
13. Eleanor GORRIE, born at Auckland, 17 February 1848; she died on 14 October 1929, and was buried at Waikumete Cemetery; she married in Auckland, 9 June 1870, John Henry UPTON; he was a Stationer, of Shelley Beach Road, Ponsonby; his firm was UPTON & Coy, Booksellers, of Queen Street, Auckland; they had issue.
14. Henry Thomas GORRIE, born at Shortland Street, Auckland, and baptised 17 december 1849; Bank of New Zealand; went into the business his father-in-law, Alfred BUCKLAND, Stock Agent and Auctioneer; resided at Three Kings, Roskill; died at his residence, Dunkerron, Three Kings, November 1922, and was buried at St Andrew's, Epsom; he married at Auckland, 1881, Blanche BUCKLAND, she died on 28 October 1930, aged 72; they had issue.
15. Jessie GORRIE, born in Auckland, 27 April 1852; died at Pitt Street, Auckland, 13 November 1862, & buried at Symonds Street Cemetery.

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