Friday, December 7, 2018

John SHYING and John SHEEN - were they one and the same as MAK Sai Ying?



MAK Sai Ying arrived in N.S.W. from Canton (his birthplace) in 1818 as a free man, and settled, originally at least, and for two periods either side of a return visit to China, in the Town of Parramatta.


[An on-line translation of the name MAI Shi Ying into Chinese characters,
being halves of the character pairs generated by translations of:
Wheat (Xiao-mai), World (Shi-jie) and Hero (Ying-xiong).]
However, the first character does not appear to be an exact match with the several samples of the sign he made on archived documents in N.S.W.:

The following is very similar to the characters MAK Sai Peng used to sign his Power of Attorney in 1831, the third being "peng" - a translation of the word "friend":


In China, the family surname is traditionally recorded first, before the "given" names.

His descendants have been unable to locate details of his death and burial under the name of John SHEYING (by which name he was married in 1823 to Sarah THOMPSON) alias SHYING (by which surname several of their four sons were baptized).

John SHEEN was buried at Rookwood in 1880, with his wife Margaret (maiden surname McGOVERN, who died in 1875); he was of a similar age to John SHYING, and had arrived in the Colony about the same time; he was also a native of China. Several of his descendants believe, perhaps not without good reason, that they were one and the same man.

The following is an attempt to locate as many documented mentions of both of these men, separated by the year 1845 - concerning John SHYING up to his last known activity in Parramatta in 1844 - and followed by John SHEEN, from the time of his marriage in Sydney in 1846.

Many of the original documents have been microfilmed, and the images digitalized in various capacities, but none of which are free to publish on-line without permission of the copyright holders. As I have yet to seek that permission, I will, in the meantime, have to settle for transcriptions of them.

These records have been accessed in the State Library of New South Wales in Macquarie Street, Sydney, the Library of the Society of Australian Genealogists (S.A.G.) in Kent Street, Sydney, and at State Records of N.S.W. at Kingswood. Further information has been included from the National Library of Australia's holding of newspapers through it's trove web-site.

Several other people have already carried out research into John SHYING, some of which has been published by the Parramatta District Historical Society Inc in their Journals. I have yet to visit the Society at Hambledon Cottage, and will attempt to do so this side of Christmas (2018).
Further private research notes have been deposited in the Mitchell Library by Winsome DOYLE and Valerie BLOMER. I have yet to sight all of the original documentary references in these sterling efforts, but it is interesting to note that none of them canvass any possibility of him being buried as John SHEEN.

Valerie BLOMER has published an on-line account of her ancestor John SHYING's life story, and it appears that she had done considerably more research since her papers in Mitchell indicate - including a serious consideration of the two men being the same.
It is an extra-ordinary account of John SHYING's life, and I commend it to anyone who seeks the truth of it. Entitled "An Alien in the Antipodes" and dated 28 July 1999, a copy may be read online at on near (or it will get you close).
I have no intention to replicate her research results here, as they are impeccable.
But my current desire, even as someone who has no family connections to him, is to sight the original documents attached to his Colonial existence, first hand, if I can.

I have also begun to insert additional information, some observations, with the inevitable questions which arise from it all, and [in this format].

Any correspondence will be most welcome.

Chris PIGOTT, Potts Point, N.S.W. -


18 June 1815 - Arrival in Port Jackson of the ship 'Northampton,' with convicts and other passengers, including John SHYING's future first wife Sarah Jane THOMPSON, then aged about 11, her mother Sarah O'NEAL, a convict, and her son John O'NEAL, , aged about 6.

24 February 1818 - Arrival in Port Jackson of the ship 'Laurel,' Captain GREEN, with Mak Sai YING (the later John SHYING) on board.
The Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser, 25 April, under Ship News:
"Yesterday arrived the ship Laurel, Captain GREEN, from Bengal, with a cargo consisting mostly of teas. She left Bengal the 1st of August for China, and called at Malacca, which was still under command of the British Governor FARQUHAR, the Dutch Government not yet having been established there."
Ditto, under another heading of Sydney:
"From Captain GREEN, we learn that a commotion had taken place at Saparosa, in which the whole of the Dutch garrison had been cut off by the native inhabitants, which melancholy information had been forwarded to Canton by a Company's cruiser...
"The Laurel reached Canton the 5th of October, and left 20th November for this port, experiencing a fair passage, with the exception of a dangerous becalming for several days close into one of the shoally islands of the Anambers. She called also at Port Dalrymple, on her way, and remained for some days, during which period, we are sorry to learn, several rash and thoughtless people under sentence of the law had taken to the woods, and were not apprehended when she came away."
Valerie BLOMER, in her "An Alien in the Antipodes," noted that the 3rd Officer on the voyage of the 'Laurel' from Canton in 1818 was George BLAXLAND, a son of John BLAXLAND of Parramatta. She rightly speculates upon the likelihood that this is how SHYING came to work for his father. Indeed, it may well be asked if that is how he came to be on that ship in the first place - had George been on the lookout for a suitable and perhaps oriental artisan to go to N.S.W. and become one of his father's employes?
November 1819 - [Card Catalogue, Mitchell Library]:
"OPONG, Nov 1819, employed by J. BLAXLAND as a Carpenter (BIGGS, J.T. - Report , Appendix, page 5731, B.T. Box 26)."

10 or 14 June 1820 - Petition made by "John BLAXLAND, John HARRIS and another gentleman whose signature is illegible"[John WATSON, "John SHYING, Oriental Gentleman," Journal of the Parramatta District Historical Society, Volume 6, 199, at page 55 et seq.], on behalf of Mark O'PONG to Governor MACQUARIE for a grant of land in Parramatta.
WATSON transcribed the petition [citing Colonial Secretary's Correspondence, Fiche 3027, 4/1825 A, No 581, pp 2165-6 -I have not yet sighted this original record] as follows:
"That memorialist came to this Colony by the ship Laurel, GREEN, Master; is a native of Canton in China; has been in the Colony for two and one half years, during which time he had been in the service of John BLAXLAND, Esq, as a carpenter, supporting a honest, industrious character.
"That memorialist being anxious to become an agriculturalist of this Colony humbly implores your Excellency to take his case into your favourable consideration and grant him such portion of land for a farm as to your Excellency's wisdom and goodness shall deem meet and for such mark of favour, memorialist as in duty bound will pray."

12 May 1821 - The Sydney Gazette.
The above petition was eventually "successful", and notification of a grant, for 30 acres, was published in the Sydney Gazette on 12 May 1821:
"Surveyor General's Office, 28th April 1821.
"The following LIST of NAMES of NEW SETTLERS who are to receive Grants of LAND, and of OLD SETTLERS who are to have additional LANDS located for them in the Year 1821, is published for general Information:-
"... Mark OPONG...
"John OXLEY, Surveyor General."
This list, covering surnames beginning with H through to Y, comprised a total of about 400 names, more-or-less.
3 February 1823 - First marriage of John SHYING to Sarah Jane THOMPSON at St John's, Church of England, Parramatta [Mitchell Library, S.A.G. Reel 55, page 44], entry number 409:
"John SHEYING of the parish of Parramatta and Sarah Jane THOMPSON, of the same parish, were married in this church by banns this Third day of February (1823) By me, Thomas HASSALL, Off'g Min'r.
"The marriage was solemnised between {John (his-X-mark) SHEYING
                                                                {Sarah Jane (her-X-mark) THOMPSON
"in the presence of {Matthew TODD
                              {Alice (her-X-mark) WILLIAMS."

8 November 1823 - Birth in Parramatta of their first son, John, and his baptism at St John's Church of England [Mitchell Library, S.A.G. Reel 55, page 140]:
"John James SHYING, son of John and Sarah SHYING, Parramatta, was born Nov'r 8th and Christened December 7th 1823. Registered same day by me Tho's HASSALL, Off'ing Min'r."
[Note - pro-forma register, printed, with spaces for insertion of hand-written details, here highlighted in blue.]

Late 1823 or early 1824 - Petition of John SHYING to Governor BRISBANE, transcribed by John WATSON ["John SHYING, Oriental Gentleman, "citing Colonial Secretary's Correspondence, Fiche 3058, 4/1833, No 49, pp 173-6]:
"That your petitioner came to this Colony about six years ago in the 'Laurel' Captain GREEN, and has continued ever since that period, having been usefully employed as a mechanic in the Colony. That about twelve months ago he married a young woman who came free to the Colony, by whom he has one infant son. That your petitioner humbly craves of your Excellency the indulgence of continuing in the Colony, and further humbly solicits permission to erect a small habitation in this Town (Parramatta) to enable him to carry on his business and thereby comfortably provide for his increasing family. Petitioner would further beg leave to request the indulgence of an allotment of ground in Church Street, near where he now lives, for the aforesaid purpose as being most eligible for his business."

14 February 1824 - The Colonial Secretary's reply to the above petition [John WATSON, citing Col. Sec's Correspondence, Reel 6012, page 336]:
"The survey of Parramatta being complete, there exists no objection to your obtaining on lease any vacant allotment you choose."

1823-25 - General Muster of N.S.W. [N.S.W. and Tasmania, Settlers and Convicts, 1787-1859, on Findmypast and, Ref H.R.O. 10/20], at folios 171 and 172:
"SHEANG, John, age n.r., came free, vessel Laurel, 1819, ---, Carpenter, Parramatta.
"SHEANG, John, aged 2, born in colony, ---, Son of John SHEANG.
"SHEANG, Sarah, age n.r., came free, vessel Morley, 1820, ---, Wife of John SHEANG, Parramatta."
These details have also been abstracted in the book "General Muster List of New South Wales, 1823, 1824, 1825," edited by Carol J. BAXTER, and published by AGBR, Sydney, 1999, at pages 519 and 520. The Muster information for PArramatta was gathered in the Court House there, and for surnames commencing with "S" this was collected on three dates - 12 September 1823, 24 September 1824 and 7 October 1825. It should be noted that on both of the family history web-sites, and, the transcriptions of the page images appear to have wrongly interpreted the use of  double commas - which nowadays is used to denote "ditto" - and thereby incorrectly indicating that all three SHEANGs were convicts - which they most definitely were not (although for Sarah, it was evidently a close call).
18 May 1826 - Birth in Parramatta of their second son, George, and his baptism at St John's Church of England [M.L., SAG Reel 55, page 2, entry number 29] on:
"June 11th 1826, born 18 May, George Hugh, son of John and Sarah SHIYING, Parramatta, Shop Keeper, Samuel MARSDEN, Officiating Minister."

10 October 1827 - Letter of Charles COWPER, Clerk of the Corporation, to Rev WILSON, of the Female Orphan Institute, concerning payment of unauthorized expenditure, including the third in a list of seven claims:
"John SHYONG, Sundries, 8 pounds 0s 9d."
Another list, recorded in an extract from a meeting of the Committee of Trustees of Clergy and School Lands, dated 4 July 1828, concerning further payments claimed by the Female Orphan School, amounting to a total of 158 pounds 13s 5d, including the first of eight claims, for:
"John SHYONG, 42 pounds 14s 8d."

7 January 1828 - Birth in Parramatta of their third son, Henry James SHYING, and baptism at St John's C. of E., 11 27 January, by Rev John VINCENT, "... son of John and Sarah SHIYONG, Parramatta, Shop Keeper."

1828 Census - Householder's Return, District of Parramatta, No 91:
"John SHYING, aged 32, came free, ship Lawler (sic), 1817 (sic), Parramatta, Shop Keeper, Protestant.
"Sarah Jane SHYING, 26, came free, ship Morley, 1820, wife of above, Parramatta, Protestant.
"John James SHYING, 5, born colony, son of above, Parramatta, Protestant.
"George Hugh SHYING, 2, born colony, son of above, Parramatta, Protestant.
"Henry James SHYING, 9 month, born colony, son of above, Parramatta, Protestant.
"Wm H. BROTHERTON, 28, F.S. (free by service), ship Ocean(3), 1818, (sentence of) 7 years, Clerk to above, Parramatta, Protestant.
"William CLARE, 44, F.S., ship Lord Castlereagh, 1815, 7 years, Servant of above, Parramatta, Protestant.
"Hartley DRURY, 26, F.S., ship Martha, 1817, 7 years, Servant of above, Parramatta, Roman Catholic.
"Owning 5 horses 4 cattle.
"Signed by John SHYING. Witnessed by John BROWN, Constable."
This is the only age  for John SHYING, recorded on his own information, that I have been able to find.
10 March 1829 - The Australian, Tuesday:
"Licensed Publicans in Parramatta.
"... John SHYING, The Lion; ..."

27 May 1830 - Birth in Parramatta of their fourth son, Thomas Jones SHYING, and baptism at St John's C. of E., 18 April, "... son of John and Sarah SHYING, Parramatta, Publican."

28 June 1830 - Publican's Licenses [NRS 14401 (4-61), Reel 5049, Mitchell Library]:
"John SHYING, Golden Lion, Church Street, Parramatta."

2 September 1830 - The Sydney Gazette:
"At Parramatta, on Friday 8 October 1830, at 11 for 12 o'clock, positively without Reserve (unless disposed of by Private Contract).
"The following valuable PREMISES, situated in the Town of Parramatta, known by the name of the Golden Lion, Church Street, Windsor Road, &c, the property of Mr John SHYING.
"Lot 1 - A beautiful, well-built brick house, measuring 60 feet in front by 28, with a Chinese veranda not to be equaled by any in the colony, containing 7 rooms well fitted up, with a good cellar 25 feet by 12 feet; likewise a good store-room the length of the house; the yard containing a brick house, with kitchen and 3 rooms, likewise a 4 stall stable, and a fine well of water; will be let immediately at 2 pounds per week.
"Lot 2 - A good weatherboard house with 2 rooms, adjoining Lot 1, and good water; let at 3 shillings per week.
"Lot 3 - A good weatherboard house, in Church Street, Windsor Road, containing 6 rooms, with kitchen and good water; let at 14 shillings per week.
"Lot 4 - A good brick house of 4 rooms, with a Smith's forge, in full trade, adjoining Lot 3, and good water; let at 6 shillings per week.
"Lot 5 - A good weatherboard house, containing 3 rooms, opposite Lot 4; let at 3s 6d per week.
"Lot 6 - A beautiful well-built and finished stone house, situated in Fenton Street, Orphan School Road, containing 3 rooms, with granary and a 2 stall stable; let at 2s per week.
"Lot 7 - A weatherboard cottage, beautifully situated, adjoin the Government Domain, containing 4 rooms, a good garden with young trees, and good water, opposite the new wind mill; let at 3s per week.
"Terms of sale - One half of purchase money to be paid down, and the other half by approved bills at 6 months. The purchaser of Lot No 1 may have the license transferred, on paying for the unexpired term, and fixtures at a valuation."

23 November 1830 - The Sydney Gazette, Tuesday:
"TO BE LET OR SOLD, for the term of 3 years, with the license, in the Town of Parramatta, a beautiful well-built Brick House, Sign of the Golden Lion, George Street, Windsor Road, measuring 60n feet in front by 28 feet, with a chinese veranda... (as above)...
"Application to be made to John SHYING on the premises."

18 October 1831 - A Power of Attorney [Number 675, Book D, as cited in documents found in the Mitchell Library, in MSS 5857]:
"John Pong SHYING to Joseph Hickey GROSE and John Foreman STAFF" to act generally in regards to "... all his messuages or dwelling houses, lands, tenements and hereditaments situate and being in the Colony of N.S.W. ... in consideration of the said John Pong SHYING leaving the Colony."

1832 - The New South Wales Calendar and General Post Office Directory (data probably collected in 1831 for publication in early 1832):
"Alphabetical Directory...
"SHYONG, John, Publican, Parramatta."

21 November 1831 - Letter from the Attorney General's Office to The Honourable Alexander McLEAY, Colonial Secretary:
"Sir, I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 17th instant, transmitting to me a letter addressed to you by Sarah SHYONG, requesting that the Title Deeds of certain Town Allotments in Parramatta claimed by her Husband John SHYONG, who is a native of China, and not naturalized, may be executed in her name, and requesting direction of His Excellency the Acting Governor that the same may be returned with my legal Report, whether there is any legal objection to its being done. In reply I have the honor to state, that as the husband of Sarah SHYING cannot receive a grant of land, I see no legal objection to the Grant being made if His Excellency shall be pleased to do so to Trustees, to the use of the Wife, and her children, but as a married woman the Grant cannot be made directly to herself. The Trusts may be for her sole use only, or to her for life with such power to dispose of the property to her children, as shall be arranged before the Grant shall be finally made."
The signature of the writer of this letter is hard to read - John possibly KINSELLA ?
John SHYING evidently returned to China, and perhaps for 5 to 6 years.

27 March 1836 - Death of his wife Sarah SHYING.
She was buried at St John's C. of E. Cemetery, Parramatta, [Mitchell Library, SAG Reel 55, third batch, page 18, entry 245]:
"Sarah SHYING, abode Parramatta, buried 29th March, aged 34 years, Free Dealer's wife, R. FORREST, Off'g Min'r."

[Photograph taken in December 2018 by the author of this article. 
This image, and those following, have been posted by me on memorials created for them on the web-site.]

The gravestone bears the inscription:
"MARCH 27th 1836
"Leaving a Husband and four
"Children to deplore her loss of
"a tender wife and kind Mother."

[Photograph taken in December 2018 by the author of this article.
The graves face towards the east, and are in Section 1, Block C (see illustrations under the Lych Gate at the entrance), about 20 rows in from the entrance on O'Connell Street, and directly uphill from the monument to the "flogging parson," the Reverend Samuel MARSDEN.]

1836 - Return to Parramatta.

14 November 1836 - The Sydney Herald:
"On Saturday, 17 December, in Church Street, Parramatta.
"All those Capital SIX MERCANTILE RESIDENCES, in the heart of Parramatta, situate between the Bridge and Court House, newly finished, and adapted to any business, and which, in another year or two, will be a property of considerable value, and renting at double the present rents.
"LOT 1 - House and shop let to SHYING the Chinaman, at 40 pounds per annum, all with a separate entrance up the gateway.
"LOT 2 - House and shop let to Mr JOSEPH at 40 pounds per annum.
"LOTs 3 and 4 [ditto] ..."

8 July 1837 - Publican's Licenses [NRS 14401 (4-68), Reel 5053, Mitchell Library]:
"John SHYING, The Lamb Inn, Pennant Street, Parramatta."

4 July 1838 - Sydney Monitor, Wednesday:
"John SHYING, late a publican, appeared to answer an information laid against him for a breach of the Licensing Act, when Dr FORSTER rose, and was going to leave the Court, the Police Magistrate stated, that if he went away, the case must be dismissed, as it was one on which a single magistrate could not adjudicate, that it Dr FORSTER would say when he would return, he Mr P would wait for him. The Court was kept open for half an hour, when no Second Magistrate appearing, the case was dismissed."

20 May 1839 - Death of John SHYING's mother-in-law, Sarah O'NEIL (widow of Daniel O'NEIL, and before him of James THOMPSON, maiden surname McLEAN), at the Benevolent Asylum, aged 77 years; she was buried at St Lawrence Church, Sydney, 21 May.

25 November 1840 - The Sydney Monitor and Commercial Advertiser, Wednesday:
"Case No 827 - Henry HARVEY, of Parramatta.
"Thirty seven perches, county of Cumberland, parish of the Field of Mars, Town of Parramatta, allotment No 19 on the Windsor Road in Section No 26; bounded on the west by John WARD's allotment, north 134 links; on the east by the Windsor Road, south ten degrees, east 134 links; and on the south by John SHYING's allotment (formerly FLINTOFF's), west 163 links.
"This allotment was leased by Sir Thomas BRISBANE for 21 years from 30 June 1823 to Thomas POTTER, deceased, whose widow, it is alleged, sold it to Joseph Hickey GROSS, who sold it to John SHYONG, the Chinaman, who sold it to Complainant. The deed is required on proposing to pay a fine equal to 21 years quit rent."

1841 - Census of N.S.W. Parramatta [State Records of N.S.W., Reel 2222, Return No 213]:
John SHYING, Landed Proprietor, aged 45 but not yet 60 years, and married; with a married woman aged 21 but not yet 45 years, both recorded, as I see it , as Jews; in a wooden house, finished and inhabited.
There appear to be no indications of the four sons living with them.
26 December 1841 - Arrival in Sydney of John's future second wife, Bridget GILLOOLY, on the ship 'Lady Clarke,' for the bounty fare of 19 pounds, aged 28, a native of Roscommon, Ireland, Servant.

19 April 1842 - Burial of Daniel O'NEIL, step-father of John SHYING's late first wife Sarah, in St Patrick's R.C. Cemetery, North Parramatta, by N.J. COFFEY, "... Abode Parramatta, Aged 66 years, Servant."
John's future second wife (see next below) would shortly after be buried in the same grave.

10 October 1842 - Second marriage of John SHYING at St John's Church of England, Parramatta [Mitchell Library, SAG Reel 56, page 58, entry number 238]:
"John SHYING of this Parish, Widower, and Bridget GILLORLEY, of this Parish, Widow, were married in this church by Banns with consent of  (blank) this tenth day of October in the year 1842
"By me, H.H. ROBART
"This marriage was       {(the three Chinese character signature of) Mak Sai YING)
"solemnised between   {the-X-mark of Bridget GILLORLEY
"in the presence of {James TURNER
                              {J. T. STAFF."
Some other researchers have suggested that Bridget may not have been a widow, and that she had emigrated as an unmarried woman named GILLOOLY.
29 January 1843 - Death of his second wife Bridget [Mitchell Library, Reel SAG 11, folio page 320, image number 933, entry number 107]:
"Bridget San CHIN, abode Parramatta, buried St Patrick's R.C., Parramatta, 30 January 1843, aged 33 years, (ship's name) Free, by Rev N.J. COFFEY."

She was buried in the grave of Daniel O'NEIL, Step-father of John SHYING's first wife Sarah.

[The above three photographs taken in December 2018 by the author of this article. 
The grave is not far (perhaps about 30 metres) from the entrance gate on the corner of Church Street and Pennant Hills Road; it faces east-north-east, towards Pennant Hills Road. 
The road in the background of the third photo is the extension of Church Street north of the Pennant Hills Road intersection.]

25 February 1843 - Town Grant, Town of Parramatta, Series 53, Page 56 [digital index to Lands Office records, accessed at State Records, Kingswood]:
Concerning 37 perches of land on the Windsor Road, being Allotment 19 of Section 20, Parish of the Field of Mars, County of Cumberland:
"... being the allotment leased to William Potter by His Excellency Sir Thomas BRISBANE on 30 June 1823, and now granted in consideration of the sum of 19 pounds 8 shillings and 6d sterling having been duly paid by John Pong SHYHONG to the Colonial Treasurer of our said territory before these presents are issue, being a fine equal to payment of 21 years Quit-rent on the said allotment in terms of the regulation of 25th August 1834 under the recommendation of the Commissioner of Claims No 827, but he being an Alien the deed is now prepared at his request in favour of his four sons, the said John SHYHONG the younger, George SHYHONG, Henry SHYHONG and Thomas SHYHONG, under the advice of the Attorney General."

16 March 1844 - The Parramatta Chronicle, Saturday:
"SALE OF TOWN PROPERTY. - On Wednesday last the premises occupied by Mr STOW, situate in Church Street, and known as the Peacock Inn, the property of Mr SHIYING, was brought to hammer by Mr PHILLIPS, and knocked down to Mr GOODING for 585 pounds. The weatherboard house in which Mr SHYING resides was also put up for sale, but in consequence of Mr Nicholas CAVILLION stating at the sale that he had a disputed claim upon the premises, pending in the Court of Claims, and having previously cautioned intending purchasers by public advertisement, a bid could not be obtained for the property."

20 October 1844 - John SHYING evidently made a will.
The will has not been sighted, and it does appear that it was NOT the subject of a probate grant in N.S.W. (at least under that surname, or variations of it) - but it is mentioned in a later Indented Deed, dated 2 November 1854, in which we find the following statement:
"Whereas the last will and testament of John SHYONG the Elder, late of Parramatta aforesaid, dated the 20th day of October 1844, the said John SHYONG the Elder gave and devised the lands, hereditaments and premises hereinafter described are hereby released and conveyed, the same being described in the said will as All that Messuage or Dwelling House and premises situate in Church Street in Parramatta aforesaid, and granted to Joseph Hickey GROSE Esquire of Sydney in the colony aforesaid, until his Trustees thereinafter named in Trust to receive the rents and profits until his son Thomas SHYONG (one of the said parties hereunto of the second part) should attain the age of 21 years, and the rents so to be received to divide in manner therein mentioned, and when and so soon as his said son Thomas should attain the age of 21 years, he thereby ordered and directed his said Trustees to sell and dispose of the said Messuage or dwelling house and premises either by Public Auction or private contract, and he thereby appointed the said James URQUHART, John MORRIS (since deceased) and his son the said John SHYONG Trustees and Executors of the his said will."
This 1854 Deed named two witnesses, John Morton GOULD of Parramatta, Solicitor, and his Clerk F.C. QUAIFE, who both appear to have signed their names; and it listed the names of five of the first and second parties to the deed (all written in the one hand), evidently not signatures, but with the annotation of Sign and Seal against them, as follows:
"John SHYONG (S/S)
"John SHYONG (S/S)
"Henry SHYONG (S/S)
"Thomas SHYONG (S/S)"
The fact that John SHYONG is recorded as having made two separate Signs and Seals here does appear to ask the question - were these two different John SHYONGs? Or, in other words, might this constitute evidence that John SHYONG the Elder may have still been living in 1854? The actual signatures may only have been made on original documents that were not archived (those that went to the grantee as evidence of holding title) and may have not survived. The absence of George SHYING from the signatories to this deed is of interest - although I can think of no particular reason why that might have arisen.
8 November 1844 - John SHYING's eldest son, John James SHYING (the younger), came of age.
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1. John James SHYING; born at Parramatta, 1823; Foreman to the late Mr Richard HANSLOW (he died in 1861), Undertaker, of George Street South; in May 1865, after having carried on the Undertaking business for HANSLOW's widow, he commenced in business with his brother George, as Undertakers, at 709 George Street South, opposite Christ Church [The Empire, 1 May]; of Kent Street, Sydney, 1848-49 Electoral Register for Brisbane Ward; he died on 19 November 1885, aged 62 years, and was buried on 21 November, at Rookwood Necropolis, Anglican, Section CC, Plot 440.

[Photograph taken in December 2018 by the author of this article.]

John SHYING, of Balmain, was married firstly, at St Mary's (R.C.), Sydney, on 21 November 1843, to Mary RYAN, also of Balmain, and a Communicant Catholic; she died at Margaret Place, Sydney, on 5 February 1854, was buried at St James's (C. of E.), Sydney, 7 February, aged 25 years; they had issue:
     a. John Joseph SHYING; died 21 August 1900; as the "... only son of Mr John SHYING of Sydney," he was married by the Rev Dr FULLARTON in Sydney, 8 April 1867, to Sarah Annie DUNN, ".. second daughter of Mr John DUNN, late of Waterloo, Sydney" [S.M.H., Tuesday 16 April]; they had issue.
     b. Sarah Louise SHYING, born 1846; she was buried at St James's, Sydney, 20 March 1853, late of Margaret Street, aged 6 and a half years.
     c. Mary Ann SHYING, born 1850.
John James SHYING, Widower, a Communicant Presbyterian, was married secondly, by Special license, at St Andrew's (C. of E.), Sydney, 28 December 1854, to Eliza Jane HALL; she died on 8 May 1897, aged 58 years, and was buried with him at Rookwood.
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2. George Hugh SHYING, born at Parramatta, 18 May 1826; Undertaker; he died on 6 June 1893, at his residence, 8 George Street West, and was buried at Rookwood Necropolis on 8 June, late of 8 George Street West - Funeral Notices were inserted in the S.M.H. on 7 June by his wife Mrs SHYING, his children George, John and Martie SHYING, and his brother Thomas J. SHYING.
George was married at St Mary's (R.C.), Sydney, by Rev Robert McCormack, C.C., on 12 October 1846, to Mary SHEEN, of Sydney (witnesses were Samuel PROSSER and Margaret SHEEN).
The name of the second witness may be significant. If Margaret SHEEN was single, she may well have been directly related to the bride. But if Margaret was married, then it would suggest her husband was related to the bride. If the latter scenario, and if she had only recently, as Margaret McGovern, become the wife of John SHEEN, then the potential exists, if John SHYING Senior and John SHEEN were one and the same, for there to have been some degree of kinship relationship between George SHYING and Mary SHEEN before they were married, perhaps even closing in on the prohibited degrees of consanguinity under Canon Law?
Mary died at the residence of her sister, Mrs J. GOODBRIDGE, Pyrmont, on 17 June 1882, "... the beloved wife of Mr George SHYING Senior, aged 52 years" [Freeman's Journal (Sydney), Saturday 24 June]; they had issue:
     a. Joseph SHYING, born Pitt Street, Sydney, 15 March 1847, and baptized at St James's R.C. Sydney, 28 March, by Rev Mr FYANS (mother recorded as Mary MAHER?);  1847; Carpenter, of George Street, Sydney; Joseph died at his residence, 719 George Street South, on 21 July 1876, ".. aged 29 years, leaving a wife and two children to mourn their loss, (the) eldest son of George and Mary SHYING of Oxford Street" [S.M.H., Monday 24 July]; he was married at St Andrew's (C.of E.), Sydney, 26 May 1870, to Rebecca Jane SOLOMON, aged 17, of Ultimo; she died at her sister's residence in Pyrmont, on 28 May 1884, aged 31 years, "... widow of late Joseph SHYING, Undertaker" [In Memoriam, S.M.H., 28 May 1885]; with issue.
     b. Sarah SHYING, born at Union Street, Sydney, 2 February 1849, and baptized at St James's (R.C.), Sydney, 18 March, by Rev John McCLENNAN (mother Mary SHEEN).
     c. Mary Eliza SHYING, born about 1854; she was married at St Andrew's (C.of E.) Cathedral, on 9 June 1875, to John Charles BURTON, of Paddington, Bootmaker.
     d. George R. SHYING, born at 185 Sussex Street, Sydney, in May 1856 [Empire, Thursday 8 May]; died in 1893; probably George Robert SHYING, who married in Sydney, 1878 [#196], Alice M. SAMUELS; with issue.
     e. James Edwin SHYING, born 1858; died 14 November 1874, aged 16 years, late of Sydney [Empire, 16 November].
     f. Letitia E. SHYING, born 1861; died on 3 August 1874, aged 13, late of Oxford Street [S.M.H., 5 August].
     g. Emily E. SHYING, born 1863; died 1864.
     h. William SHYING, born 1865; died 1948.
     j. Alice M. SHYING, born 1866; died at Wallsend, 1924 [#704]; married at East Maitland, 1889 [#5464], Arthur W. STUART or STEWART.
     k. Margaret SHYING, born 1870; died at Balmain North, 1901 [#4460], and was buried at Rookwood [R.C. Mortuary 1, Section K, Plot 1876]; married at Sydney, 1888 [#1435], Robert H. BUTCHER.
     l. John R. SHYING, born 1873.
George appears to have married secondly, in Sydney, 1884 [#251], to Ellen CARNERY, who survived him as sole executor; and by her had further issue:
     m. Martin SHYING, born Sydney, 1886 [#2074].
     n. Mary SHYING, born Sydney, 1889 [#674].
     o. Kate SHING, born Sydney, 1890 [#1774].
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3. Henry James SHYING, born at Parramatta, 7 January 1828; he died at his residence, 28 High Holborn Street, Surry Hills, on 9 December 1891, "... after a long and painful illness, in his 68th year, leaving a wife and seven children to mourn their loss" [Australian Star, Monday 21 December], and was buried on 10 December at St John's Cemetery, Parramatta, next to his mother.

[Photograph taken in December 2018 by the author of this article.]

Henry was married at St James's (C.of E.), Sydney, by Rev Richard HOWELL, on 8 March 1853, to Sarah McDONALD, of the Parish of St Philip's, Spinster, with the permission of Jane McDONALD, witnesses being John SHYING of St Philip's parish and Ann McDONALD of St Lawrence parish; Sarah was buried at Rookwood on 16 September 1907; they had issue:
     a. George Edward SHYING, born 13 February 1854, and was baptised at St Lawrence (C.of E.),  Sydney, 9 April; he was buried at St Mary's (R.C.), Sydney, 2 April 1857, aged 3 years.
     b. Henry J. SHYING, born 1859; died 1897; probably married at Newtown, 1884 [#2718], Blanche E. BRADFORD (unless he was instead the cousin?).
     c. Thomas McDonald SHYING, born 1861; died on 28 August 1871, aged 10 years, late of Sydney.
     d. John L. SHYING, born 1863; died 1935; probably married at Woollahra, 1887 [#3111], Minnie C. IRVING.
     e. Sarah L. SHYING, born 1865.
     f. Blanche A.M. SHYING, born 1868.
     g. Alice A. SHYING, born 1870.
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4. Thomas Jones SHYING, born at Parramatta, 24 March 1830; Carcass Butcher; he died on 1 August 1894, aged 64 - In Memoriam Notices, published in the Evening News, 1 August 1895, were inserted by his second wife Elizabeth SHYING and niece E. KENNAGH; his daughter and son-in-law Annie and L. MILHAM; and his sister-in-law and nephew Ellen and J.C. KENNAGH; he was buried at Rookwood [Anglican, Section CCC, Plot 380].

[Photograph taken in December 2018 by the author of this article.]

Thomas SHYING, a Communicant Presbyterian, was married at St Andrew's, Parramatta, by Rev James COUTTS, on 23 June 1851, to Sarah FOSTER, Spinster, of Parramatta; she died at North Willoughby, on 1 May 1893, aged 62 years, and was buried at Rookwood [Anglican, Section CCC, Plots 85, 86] (no gravestone); they had issue:
     a. Henry John SHYING, born 2 August 1852 [Volume 38A, number 1277]; died on 11 May 1854, aged 2 years, and was buried with his grandmother at St John's Cemetery, Parramatta.
     b. George SHYING, born 1854 [Volume 40, number 280]; as the "... eldest son of Mr Thomas SHYING" he was married at Short Street, Forest Lodge, on 27 March 1875, to Catherine FORD, "... only daughter of Mr Henry FORD" [Sydney Mail, Saturday 15 May].
     c. Henry John SHYING (II), born 15 May 1854.
     d. Annie Eliza SHYING, born 25 February 1856, and was baptised at St John's, Parramatta, 23 March; she died at 121 George Street, Camperdown, October 1899, aged 43 years, and was buried on 19 October at Rookwood [Anglican, Section EE, Plot 761]; she was married in Sydney, 1876 [#1167], to Levy MILHAM; he was buried with his wife on 10 February 1936, aged 80 years.
     e. Albert Thomas SHYING, born 15 January 1858, and was baptised at St John's, Parramatta, 7 February; he died on 26 January 1894, aged 36, and was buried at Rookwood [Anglican, Section CCC, Plots 85, 86], with his mother (no gravestone).
     f. Emily Seline SHYING, born 9 January 1860, and was baptised at St John's, Parramatta, 19 February; she was married at st Stephen's (C.of E.), Newtown, on 8 November 1881 to Thomas Henry Robert MARSHALL, a Drayman from Newcastle-on-Tyne.
Thomas evidently married secondly, Elizabeth KENNAGH, who survived him.


13 February 1841 - Margaret McGOVERN arrived in Sydney on the ship 'Jane Gifford' with her sisters Alice and Catherine, all daughters of Norah McGOVERN

30 April 1846 - Marriage by Rev John Dunmore LANG, at Scot's Church, Sydney [Archives Office, Marriage Register, 5-4113, R.G. Volume 73, 2, No 1081], of:
"... John SHIN, a native of Chinese India, of Twofold Bay, aged 36, bachelor, and Margaret McGOVERN. of Sydney, Spinster, aged 21..."
Neither party signed the declaration of Communicant Membership of the church, and the first witness was J. BRADY (second witness signature illegible - possibly L. NIMO?).
John Dunmore LANG was under an obligation to ensure that when he married two people, they were both clear to do so. If John SHIN was the same man as John SHYING, then LANG should rightfully have established whether John was previously married - that he records him as a bachelor suggests he either did not know, or ask, or even care? That both of John SHYING's wives were already deceased meant, of course, that there would be do impediment - barring any unlikely breach of consanguinity limitations under Canon Law. Perhaps the more interesting reference LANG makes is to John SHIN's place of nativity - could he have perceived that John was not 100% Chinese? Or might this have been a "before-his-time" allusion to what we now refer to as Indo-China?
12 October 1846 - Margaret SHEEN was a witness to the marriage of George Hugh SHYING and Mary SHEEN, at St Mary's R.C. Church, Sydney.
It is not clear who this Margaret SHEEN was, whether she was married or single, and whether she had any kinship relationship to Mary SHEEN. It would surprise me if she wasn't related, either directly (if single), or otherwise by marriage. If she was married, and if she was the Margaret McGOVERN who had only very recently married our John SHEEN, also in Sydney, then the kinship relationships could prove to be very interesting indeed.
2 February 1847 - Birth in Sydney of his daughter Margaret Mary SHEEN - she was not baptized until 14 November 1872, then at Sofala, and about 6 months after her marriage.

12 August 1850 - Birth at Concord of a daughter Sarah SHEEN [Pre-Registration Church Records, Volume 145, Number 1582 - Microfilm Reel 011 (S.A.G. Library), Number 1635; and her baptism at St Patrick's R.C. Church, Parramatta:
"Baptised 22 September 1850; born 12 August; Sarah, daughter of John SHEEN and Margaret McGOVERN, of Concord; Sponsor Margaret DICKEN (? or DICKSON); Michael BRENNAN Off'g Min'r."

18 July 1853 - Baptism in N.S.W. of Eliza Ann SHEEHAN, daughter of John SHEEHAN and Margaret McGOVEN.

24 July 1856 - Birth at Chippendale of a son John SHEEN [Registered Number 1938].

24 December 1867 - Marriage at Elizabeth Street Presbyterian Church, Sydney, of his elder daughter Sarah SHEEN to John MOY MOW. He was a native of China - and was naturalized in N.S.W., 16 August 1872 [State Records, Register 3, No 129].

11 May 1872 - Marriage at Sofala of his daughter Margaret Mary SHEEN to Ah CHONG alias Joseph LAW, a native of China.

13 December 1875 - Death of Margaret SHEEN [Statutory Registrations of Births, Deaths and Marriages - pro-forma printed, with handwritten entries in Italics]:
"Date and place of deathDecember 13th 1875; 4 Little Essex Street.
"Name and Occupation - Margaret SHEEN.
"Sex and ageFemale; aged 52 years.
"Cause of Death, Duration of last illness; medical attendant; when he last saw deceasedCholeric Diarrhoea, Debility from Chronic Rheumatism; three weeks; Andrew HOWISON (? my best guess); 6th December.
"Name and occupation of father. Name and maiden surname of mother -  --- McGOVERN.
"InformantJohn SHEEN; Son, 4 Little Essex Street.
"Particulars of Registration - E.L. MARCH, 13 December 1875, Sydney.
"When and where buried; name of Undertaker - 15th December 1875; Roman Catholic, Necropolis; J. and G. SHYING & Co.
"Name and religion of Minister and names of witnesses -   ---   ---  ; Henry MEARNS (? my best guess), George SHYING.
"Where born and how long in Australasian Colonies or States - Tipperary, Ireland; Thirty years in N.S.W.
"Place of marriage, age, and to whom - At Scots Church, Sydney, by the Rev Dr LANG; aged 21 years; John SHEEN.
"Children of marriage - Margaret, 29; Eliza, 25; Sarah, 27; John, 19; "alive."

14 December 1875 - Margaret SHEEN was buried at Rookwood Necropolis, R.C. Mortuary 1, Section 5, Plot 252, aged 52 years (on-line index to Roman Catholic Burials).

[Photograph taken in December 2018 by the author of this article. The grave faces south-south-west over Necropolis Drive into the Old Methodist Section, on the western edge of the first (and most eastern) block of graves in Section 5.]

The gravestone on the plot records the following (image posted on
"In Memory of

22 December 1875 - Evening News (Sydney), Wednesday, Death Notice:
"December 13, at the residence of her son-in-law, John MOY MOW, No 4, Little Essex-street, Lower George-street, Margaret SHEEHAN, wife of John SHEEHAN of Sofala, aged 47 years."

1878 - Marriage at Waterloo of his only surviving son, John SHEIN, to Ellen LEWIS [Registered Number 1923].

18 June 1880 - Death of John SHEEN [Statutory Registrations of Births, Deaths and Marriages]:
"Date and place of death - 18th June 1880; 17 Harrington Street.
"Name and Occupation - John SHEEN; Gardiner.
"Sex and age - Male; aged 91 years.
"Cause of death; duration of last illness; medical attendant; when he last saw deceased - Apoplexy; 6 days; Dr WRIGHT; same day.
"Name and occupation of father. Name and maiden surname of mother   ---  ---  ---.
"Informant - John SHEEN; Son, 66 Beaumont St, Pyrmont.
"Particulars of Registration - E.L. MARCH, 19th June 1880, Sydney.
"When and where buried; name of Undertaker - 20th June 1880; R. C. Cemetery, Necropolis; J. and G. SHYING & Co.
"Name and religion of Minister and names of witnesses -  ---   ---  ; William SLAYFORD, John HANSLOW.
"Where born and how long in Australasian Colonies or StatesChina; 61 years in the Colony.
"Place of marriage, age, and to whom - Dr LANG, Clk; ---; Margaret McGOVERN.
"Children of marriage - Eliza, 27; Sarah, 29; Margaret, 30; John, 24; boy deceased.
This is the only age I have yet found for John SHEEN, but it was clearly not recorded here by him. The birthplace and time in the Colony are uncannily similar to information recorded earlier for John SHYING. Their ages do differ, by 5 years or so, but I have only been able to find one  age given by John SHYING himself (in 1828) Census, and one for John SHEEN (but that was recorded after his death on the information of his son). I have become used to seeing some degree of variation in the ages of individuals recorded on their own information and over their lifetime. So, one verified record of age is a very small sample - too small to be making a final call as to its accuracy, in my view.
19 June 1880 - Evening News (Sydney), Saturday, Funeral Notices:
"The Friends of Mr John MOY MOY are respectfully requested to attend the Funeral of his deceased FATHER-IN-LAW, John SHEON; to move from his residence, 17 Harrington-street, at 1.15 p.m. sharp, TOMMOROW (Sunday) AFTERNOON. SHYING, Undertaker."
"The Friends of Mr Ah CHONG are respectfully requested to attend the Funeral of his deceased FATHER-IN-LAW John SHEON; to move from 17, Harrington-street, at 1.15 p.m. sharp, TOMORROW (Sunday) AFTERNOON. SHYING, Undertaker."
"The friends of Mr JOHN SHEEN are respectfully invited to attend his funeral; to move from his late residence, No 17, Harrington-street, TO-MORROW (Sunday) AFTERNOON, at a quarter past 1 o'clock, for the Necropolis. J. and G. SHYING and Co, 747, George-street, and 118, Oxford-street."

20 June 1880 - John SHEEN was buried at Rookwood Necropolis, R.C. Mortuary 1, Section 5, Plot 252, aged 91 years (on-line index to Roman Catholic Burials).

[Photograph taken in December 2018 by the author of this article.]

The gravestone on the plot records the following (images posted on
"Also Of
"WHO DIED 19 JUNE 1880.
"May their souls rest
"in peace."

[Photograph taken in December 2018 by the author of this article.]

23 December 1882 - Second marriage, at St Michael's Church of England, Sydney, of John SHEEN Junior, to Ada Annie PARKER. This marriage was later claimed to have been bigamous, for which a Warrant was made out in February 1889, the complainant (presumably the first wife, Ellen LEWIS) then living in Ashfield [Police Gazette, Wednesday 20 February 1889, page 1].

In 1875 - Margaret, 29; Eliza, 25; Sarah, 27; John, 19; "alive."
In 1880 - Eliza, 27; Sarah, 29; Margaret, 30; John, 24; boy deceased.
1. Margaret Mary SHEEN, born in Sydney, 2 February 1847, but was not baptized until six months after her marriage; she died on 7 October 1909; she was married (with surname mis-recorded as GIHEEN) in Sofala on 11 May 1872 to Ah CHONG alias Joseph LAW.
They had issue:
     a. Frank Ah LAW, born at Sofala, 1864.
     b. Thomas James LAW, born at Sofala, 1865.
     c. Alfred LAW, born at Sofala, 1868.
     d. Edith M. Ah LAW, born at Sofala, 1869.
     e. William LAW, born at Mudgee, 1871.
     f. Henry Edward LAW, born at Mudgee, 1873.
2. Sarah SHEEN, born at Concord on 12 August 1859, and baptized at St Patrick's (R.C.), Parramatta, 22 September by Rev Michael BRENNAN, and sponsored by Margaret DICKEN (or DICKSON);
Sarah was married at Elizabeth Street Presbyterian Church, Sydney, 24 December 1867, to John MOY MOW; he was a native of China, and was naturalized in the Colony of N.S.W. on 16 August 1872; he died on 29 January 1886, and was buried at Rookwood [Anglican, Section J, Plot 215], aged 47 years.
They had issue:
     a. John A. MOY MOW, born in Paddington, 1868.
     b. Chong Chu MOY MOW, born in Paddington, 1870.
     c. Albert Cecil MOY MOW, born in Sydney, 1875.
     d. Maud Eliza MOY MOW, born in Sydney, 1877.
     e. Bertha I. MOY MOW, born in Sydney, 1879; died in Sydney, 1880.
     f. Rosetta MOW MOY, born in Sydney, 1881.
     g. Arthur F. MOW MOW, born in Sydney, 1884.
     h. Rupert H. MOY MOW, born in Sydney, 1886; died at Newtown, 1922.
3. Eliza Ann SHEEN, baptized on 18 July 1853.
4. John SHEEN, born at Chippendale, 24 July 1856; he died at Bathurst Hospital, of Bright's Disease, April 1899, aged 48 years; John SHEIN was married firstly, at Waterloo, 1878 [#1923], to Ellen LEWIS; he was married secondly, at St Michael's (C.of E.), Sydney, 23 December 1882, to Ada Annie PARKER; in February 1889, a warrant was issued by the Water Police for the arrest of John SHEEN, charged that he did marry one Ada PARKER, his former wife Ellen LEWIS being then alive [Police Gazette, Wednesday 20 February].

Monday, July 2, 2018

A Branch of the VICKERS Family in Dublin


James VICKERS, who resided in Dublin from about 1676 until his death in 1705 (with an absence, perhaps, of several years in England during the supremacy in a great part of Ireland of the Jacobites in 1689-90), was, I believe, my ancestor.
And this James VICKERS was, at the same time, both my great-times-six AND my great-times-seven grandfather! This curiosity came about by virtue of a marriage in Dublin in 1824 between once-removed cousins, my great-great-grand-parents John PIGOTT and Elizabeth MAGUIRE (their mothers were both born Mary VICKERS, and they were aunt and niece respectively, and whereby John PIGOTT married the daughter of his first cousin).
So, it would appear, I double-dip into the VICKERS gene pool.
James's details appear later in this article. See [D] below.

William Jackson PIGOTT, of Dundrum, County Down, was a keen family historian (he died in 1921, and was a first cousin of my great-grandfather Rev Henry Robert PIGOTT), and in a cover note to the DIXON Papers [MS 8522, Genealogical Office, Kildare Street, Dublin], dated May 1911, W.J.P. had this to say about our VICKERS ancestry:
"I was under the impression that our VICKERS were a different clan from the VICARS of Levally, Queen's County, but I now believe they are all of the same descent - i.e. from Don Vicaro, the Spanish Cavalier who came over with Queen Catherine of Aragon, as nearly all the branches bore a cross on their shields."
Despite attempts by some family historians (including W.J.P.) to connect him to the descent of this Spaniard Don VICARO, our James probably instead came from a long line of English stock.

[The DIXON Papers appear to be an important source for Dublin VICKERS family baptisms and burials (especially those of the Church of Ireland parish of St Andrew's in Dublin), probably abstracted by family historians before the 1922 fires in The Four Courts building destroyed the original registers. The "manuscript" - a collection of loose leaf typed pages, stored in a box - does not appear to have been digitalized as yet. Unfortunately, when I last visited Dublin in 2010, the Genealogical Office was closed to public access.]

In 1970, the Honourable Guy STRUTT, reporting on the extensive research that had been conducted by Sir Arthur VICARS (born 1862), Ulster King of Arms, into his own VICARS family origins [Irish Ancestor, Number 2, 1970, at pages 90-102], noted that:
"... outside Leix and Carlow, two families of the name are found in Ireland, one in County Wicklow, the other Merchants in Dublin. Both these nearly always spelt the name VICKERS; they appear to be unrelated to one another, or to the family of the present article, and descended from seventeenth century settlers."
STRUTT also made mention of:
"James VICKERS of Paris, France, married Margaret, and had a son Laurence baptized there 9 August 1703. He may be identical with James VICKERS, a merchant factor in Dublin, mentioned in a Chancery Bill, CLAPHAM v. VICKERS, 19 May 1683."
Whilst I believe these two were not one and the same person, the second does put his hand up to be "our" James.

STRUTT further noted that the name VICKERS appears in several parts of England at Tudor times and earlier, including London; that it was most common in County Cumberland, especially at Eskdale; and concluded that the Irish family "... probably emigrated from this region, but a brief search has shown no precise origin."
But, of the supposed Spanish descent, he observed that:
"... Sir Arthur attempted to check this very implausible story in Spain, without result."

But before we head for Dublin, we might canvas some possible (perhaps even likely) origins for James VICKERS in England, beginning not in Eskdale (where I also can find no direct links), but in the City of London, and about the 1530's, during the reign of Henry VIII (and when Catherine of Aragon's Spanish retinue may indeed have included one Don Vicaro, who is said to have had a son named Henry, who in turn is said to have had a son named William).


Mr VICKERS; married with issue:
1. William VICKERS. See next below.
2. Edward VICKERS; married with issue:
     a. Jane VICKERS; named in her uncle William's will, 1586.
3. Ellen VICKERS; married to a Mr TURNER; she was named in her brother William's will, 1586.

William VICKERS, probably born in the 1530's, or earlier (and before the existence of parish registers, which were introduced after Henry VIII made himself head of the Church in England).
William was a Citizen and Girdler of London (although his name does not appear on the website, which does now include the Girdlers Company records); he was buried at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate Street, 4 April 1586; his will, dated 7 March Eliz xxviii, was proved P.C.C., 23 July 1586, requesting that he be buried near his three wives, naming his son John VICARES as his executor (and an afterthought bequest of £40), and with bequests to his younger children Rebecca, Ellen, Marryan, William, Samuel and Mary (all under age, with £20 each), to Jane VICKERS (a daughter of his brother Edward VICKERS), to Joan WILSON his daughter-in-law (or probably his step-daughter), and to his sister Ellen TURNER.

William VICKERS was married firstly, in or before 1559 (details of this first marriage have not yet been established, and probably will never be, as not all parish registers were copied out onto vellum as had been decreed early in Queen Elizabeth's reign); there was issue of it:

1. Frauncis VICARS, baptized at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate, 4 October 1559; as VICKERS, he was buried there, 11 January 1575.

2. Anne VICARS, baptized at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate, 7 April 1562; as VICKERS, she was buried there, 2 August 1564.

2. John VICKERS, baptized at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate, 3 September 1564. See [A] below.

3. Emme VICKERS, baptized at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate, 22 November 1566.

4. Elyzabeth VICKERS, baptized at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate, 4 June 1568; buried there, 1 May 1571.

William was married secondly, at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate, 6 October 1573, to Joane WILSON, evidently a widow; she was buried at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate, 2 August 1754, having had earlier WILSON issue, but evidently without further issue by William VICKERS.

William was married thirdly, at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate, 27 May 1575, to Elizabeth [blank] (as recorded in the published Register); she was probably buried at Christ Church, Newgate, 20 February 1584-85; by her he had further issue:

5. Rebecca VICKERS, baptized at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate, 5 August 1575, father a Girdeler; named in her father's will, 1586, under age; named as Rebecca WALFORD, Widow, in her older half-brother John VICKERS' will, 1633.

6. Ellyn VICKERS, baptized at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate, 14 October 1576.

7. William VICKERS, baptized at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate,16 April 1581; named in his older half-brother John VICKERS' will, 1633; he was probably the William VICKERS who was the factor in Russia for the Muscovy Company, 1635-36, when he was robbed of 818 rubles in Moscow.

8. Danyell VICKERS, baptized at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate, 2 December 1582.


[A] John VICKERS was born in London in 1564 (see above); BOYD's Index [London Families] did query whether he was the John baptised at Christ Church (Greyfriars), Newgate, 3 September 1564, son of William VICKERS, Citizen and Girdler of London (I now do believe that he was).

John was aged 17 when he was admitted as a Plebeian to Broadgates Hall, Oxford University, 24 November 1581, but neither his birthplace nor his father's name were recorded in the admission register [Alumni Oxonienses]; he was awarded his B.A., 20 February 1583-84, and his M.A., 5 July 1587; he was named in his father's will, 1586; he was the Rector of St Augustine's-at-the-gate, near St Paul's, London, from late 1600 [Alumni Oxonienses], and his very neat handwriting adorned the parish register from very early 1601; he was still the Rector of St Augustine's, Watling Street, London, in 1621, when he baptized his grandson John VICKERS (see below); the last baptism in his hand-writing in the St Augustine's register was dated 17 March 1632-33, and he was superseded by the new Rector, Ephraim UDALL, by 31 March 1633.
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The mediaeval church of St Augustine's parish stood just east of St Paul's Cathedral churchyard, on the north-eastern corner of Watling Street and The Old Exchange. First recorded in the 12th century, it was destroyed in the Great Fire in 1666; rebuilt by Sir Christopher WREN, it was destroyed by enemy bombing during World War 2.

[The parish of St Augustine's is numbered 36. The site of the church would appear to be immediately to the left of the figure 36. Image courtesy of the Genuki web-site.]
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John VICKERS died in 1633, and was recorded as having been buried at St Augustine's on 19 September, as "... parson of St Augustine's," and evidently inside the church at the upper end of the chancel (according to the will of his son James - see below). His entry in the Burial Register, made by Ephraim UDALL, Rector, appeared between that for Charles OSBORNE (buried on 10 September) and Henry ADAMS (brought from Clerkenwell and buried on 9 December). Given the conflict with his will, codicil and probate dates (see next), it appears likely that UDALL made an error in the register, and that VICKERS was probably instead buried on 19 November.

The will of "John VICKERS of London, Clerke, Parson of the parish of St Augustine neare St Paul's gate," was dated 8 November 1633, with a codicil dated Monday 11 November, and was proved P.C.C., 23 November 1633 [TNA PROB 11/164/650] - this precise sequence of dates suggests that the St Augustine's Burial Register entry was probably in error).
In the will, John named his close relations - his son James VICKERS, his two married daughters Eleanor DAVIS and Damaris TICKNOR, his un-named grandchildren, his brother William VICKERS (he may have been the factor in Russia for the Muscovy Company who was robbed of 818 rubles in Moscow in 1635-36), his (? two) sisters Rebecca WALFORD, Widow, and Marie WALFORD, and his cousin John GREENE of Bilton, Warwickshire (and his daughter Marie GREENE).

John VICKERS, a Clerk, was licensed on 2 February 1589-90 to marry Agnes FESSE [Alumni Oxonienses], the ceremony taking place at St Botolph's, Aldgate, London, on 10 February 1589-90 [Parish Register entry], her surname being rendered as FESSEY; this may not have been his first marriage.

John and Agnes had issue, probably with older children born before 1600:

1. James VICKERS; named in his father's will, 1633. See [B] below.

?  Possible other issue born 1591-99 (although none appear to have survived).

2. Ellenore VICKERS, baptized at St Augustine's, 3 February 1604; she was named in her father's will, 1633, as the wife of Marke DAVIS, with £250 over and above what she already had at her marriage.

3. Damaris VICKERS, baptized at St Augustine's, 11 May 1606; she was named in her father's will, 1633, as the wife of Thomas TICKNOR, with £250 over and above what she already had at her marriage; she was married at St Thomas the Apostle, London, by license of the Bishop of London, dated 25 February 1624-25, to Thomas TICKNOR, Grocer.

4. Lucye VICKERS, baptized at St Augustine's, 30 August 1607; buried 7 September 1607; infant.

The dates are almost too tight, but the Rev John VICKERS did have a son James, and he appears to have been born about the time of the 1590 marriage, or perhaps shortly before and perhaps therefore by an earlier marriage.
The evidence which I find compelling is the mention by James in his 1657 will that his (un-named) father had been buried at St Augustine's before him (along with three of  James's children), and John's 1633 burial appears to be the only other VICKERS burial there which falls within the relevant time frame, and all of this is effectively confirmed by Rev John's will anyway.


[B] James VICKERS (alias VICARS or VICCARS) was born between October 1588 and October 1589 [according to the age he recorded in his own will]; a Merchant Taylor in London; he spent some time in his younger days with the Muscovy Company of English Merchant Adventurers in Russia, probably under the watchful eye of his uncle William VICKERS (who was in Moscow in 1635-36, as factor for the said Muscovy Company); James was residing in the parish of St Augustine's, Watling Street, London, in 1620 [marriage registration]; he removed to the parish of St Lawrence Jewry, London, sometime after 1624 and prior to 1631 [from children's baptismal details]; on 29 April 1629, one HOPKINS "... and James VICKERS, Muscovia Merchant," sought permission to ship "... a hundred broadcloths dressed and dyed" for Muscovia (known to us as Moscow), which permission was granted subject to "... all the Customs and Duties formerly accustomed to be paid" [Acts of the Privy Council, July 1628 - April 1629, page 417]; James VICKERS, Merchant Taylor of London, was named in a Final Concord and Counterpart concerning a number of members of the HARTE family, dated 1636, with a Bond to him from Sir Henry HARTE for the payment of £51 [TNA Index - Norfolk Record Office, WLS/VIII/3/408x5]; James took up residence in a tenement known as Goodriche's alias Symond's, in Bear Street, Fulham, in 1640, previously the residence of Dr Richard HART [see "Fulham, Old and New," by Charles James FÈRET, Volume II, London, 1900, page 89]; of Fulham, County Middlesex, Citizen and Merchant Taylor, 29 August 1645, when he apprenticed his son Edward to Symon MIDLETON, Master, Goldsmith's Company []; James was an Alderman of the City of London, sworn 5 June 1649, for the Castle Baynard Ward, having been nominated by Aldermen ANDREWES (the Lord Mayor), Sir J. WOLLASTON and Robert SMITH.

James VICKERS was buried at St Augustine's, Watling Street, London, 6 November 1657; he made his will, dated 8 October 1657, then aged 68, and named his wife Mary and son-in-law Nicholas THURMAN as joint executors, made bequests to sons Edward (then in Lisbon) and William (then under age, apprenticed in Cheapside), and his daughters THERMAN and Anne (wife of "... that wicked and ungodly John HACKETT of London, Dyer"), and then proceeded to rail against his profligate eldest son John VICKERS, who had been sent down from Cambridge University, and had then been set up by his father in business in Russia in about 1638-39, where he had spent the money and married against his father's wishes, to one Margerie OSBORNE, the daughter of a factor there, and by whom he had several sons, before bringing them all back to England in about 1642-43, and had then been set up again with a house in Fulham (see the will transcript below); James requested to be buried in the upper end of the chancel in the church of St Austin's (sic), Watling Street, London, "... near the bodies of my father and three children" [Fulham, Old and New, by C. J. FÈRET, Op. Cit.].
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James's will is, in my view, quite extra-ordinary, and warrants my republishing here the full FÈRET transcription, given the wealth of genealogical detail it contains, some of which (the vital events in Russia, for example) are unlikely to be verifiable now from any other source:
     "I, James VICKERS, late Alderman of London, now living in Fulham in the county of Middlesex, being 68 years, this 8th of October 1657. To Mary my wife £3,000 and my house and furniture for life. Remainder to my sons Edward and William VICKERS. To my son Edward, now in Lisbon, £700 besides £700 which he has already. To my younger son William, now apprentice in Cheapside with Master BIDAUGHT and Master BERKNITTE (sic), £1,800 to be paid to him at his coming out of his tyme, provided that he hath the report of his Masters as a good Husband and noe waster. But if it shall happen that he shall prove prodigall and a spendthrift, then I order him but £1,300. To my daughter THERMAN besides what she has already for her wedding portion, £800.
     "Whereas I did some eight years past bestow my daughter Ann unto a wicked and ungodly wretch John HACKETT of London, Dyer, son and heir of Richard HACKETT of Dytton in county Surrey, Esq, in marriage, giving her for a portion £1,500 in ready money and £200 laid out for cloaths and other expenses, upon agreement and covenants that the said Richard HACKETT should settle upon his son John HACKET and upon my daughter Ann HACKETT and their heirs, £300 per annum and £150 per annum jointure, which was perfected, the money paid, and the marriage solemnized. Now, so it hap'ned that after he had three boys living by her, and he, through his Lewd Courses became ingaged for divers great summes for her father and his father for him, and had wasted all, and came to me and complained he was worth nothing (which I admired at); and suddenly after, his father and he wickedly joynes and cut offe the entailment of £300 a year settled on my grandchildren and paid the debts with it soe far as it would goe, and afterwards sent my daughter and her four children home to me with a Bed scarce to lye on, and his father denying to allow more than 2 pence maintenance, whoe had gone beyond them for their whole estate. And for his sonne my daughter's husband, he is gone away from her for Ireland, and there, for aught I know, means to reside. Now for my poor daughter whoe hath nothing to help her except my Bountie towards her may starve, she and hers I do order and bequeath that my loving wife will continue her with her.
     "Whereas it pleased God to give me my eldest son John VICKERS, whom I bredd att Cambridge Bac. in Arts, whoe himself very prodigally stubborne and profuse soe high that the University could not endure it; and coming home to me, upon his submission which he promised should be faithful and fervent, I bound him apprentice unto me in trade a Merchant into Rushia, which was my former life. And upon his faithful promise I sent him over sea with a stock to the value of between £2,000 and £3,000, hoping he would have proved a great match; but it so happened, being not long settled in Russia, with my estate to the value of £1,300, he, contrary to his protestations and duty to God and his father, entered into a marriage without my privitie unto a factor's daughter there, one Margery OSBORNE, though I earnestly writt and sent unto him to the contrary, yet he disobediently went on, married and begot boyes; and afterward with weeping teares came over to England with his wife and children (the third tyme) and submitted himself unto me, whoe had spent me there in Russia the summe of fifteen hundred pounds at least, in the space of 3 or 4 yeres; since his coming over, being reconciled with him upon his great protestations, I tooke a house and warehouse for him, with a stock of one thousand pounds to trade in Russia, where he had been bredd, which he quickly through his great ill husbandry and laziness wasted all, and fell to worse courses, being disobedient to me, and not seeing my face in three yeres space, but shifting and gitting into his hands what he could of mine, it being my owne estate, which I hear he challenges as his owne, and hath compounded for a quantitie the partys that it was none of mine, and soe hath taken less than half the debt discharging the parties and hath sent me in word that he will doe with a debt of £5,000 which is owing to me of a nobleman; being formerly taken in name as my eldest sonne, and God forgive me for his great disobedience. Now this I sett down largely in my will to let the world take notice that upon my reputation, and in the presence of God, I speak it. That since he came down from the University of Cambridge he hath laid out of my purse one time or another above £4,000 besides what he intend to have out of my £5.000 debt, which shall not trouble me, in regard he is my sonne, hopeing he will prove better after my decease. Soe now to my will, what I give him, viz, first, I require of him a general release from the beginning of the world to 1 October 1656, and if he refuse I give him £100, and soe farewell, praying God to give him better grace; but if he doe consent, then I give hin 2 leases of certain lodgings in Bridewell Lane..." [FÈRET ended this part of his transcript with "etc."]
     "My wife sole executrix, and my son-in-law Nicholas THURMAN shall be my executor. I give unto the writer of this my last will and testament, John GEE, parish clerk, of Fulham, 40 shillings. My corps to be buried at St Austins (sic) Watling Street, London, at the upper end of the chancel, near the bodies of my father and three children. I order and will that Master Matthew FOWLER, now preacher of Hammersmith, doe preach my funeral sermon, and doe bury my body after a Christian-like and decent burial, and give Christianly Exhortation to the Auditorie."
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James VICARS, then of the parish St Augustine's, London, Merchant Taylor, was married at St Martin-in-the-Fields, by License of the Bishop of London, dated 19 September 1620, to Mary TIRRELL, of the parish of St Dunstan's in the West, London, Spinster, (she was probably baptised at St Dunstan's in the West, 28 March 1602, a daughter of Edward TYRRELL of London, Baker, who was deceased before 1620, by his wife Katherine SMYTHIE).

Mary survived James, and continued to dwell in the family residence in Church Row, Fulham; she died in 1673; the will of Mary VICKERS, Widow, of Fulham, dated 6 April 1671, codicil dated 13 August 1673, was proved P.C.C., 6 September 1673, naming her late husband James VICKERS, daughters Ann HACKETT and Elizabeth THURMAN, sister Margaret STRANGE, cousin Katherine WILSON, sons John, Edward and William, daughters-in-law Margery, Abigail and Letitia, and her nineteen grandchildren.

James and Mary had issue:

1. John VICKERS, baptized at St Augustine's, Watling Street, London, 5 or 10 July 1621 (mother Marye), by John VICKERS, Rector. See [C] below.

2. James VICKERS, baptized at St Augustine's, Watling Street, 8 January 1622 (mother Marye), by John VICKERS, Rector; buried there 12 September 1633 (the third of three such burials mentioned in his father's will), by Ephraim UDALL, Rector, as "... the son of James VICKERS and Marye his wife."

3. Annah VICKERS, baptized at St Augustine's, 30 January 1624-25 (mother Marie), by John VICKERS, Rector; she died at St Lawrence Jewry, and was buried at St Augustine's, 20 February 1630-31, by John VICKERS, Rector (the first of three such child burials mentioned in her father's will).

4. Edward VICKERS; probably admitted to the Merchant Taylor's School, London, 11 September 1642; of Fulham, 29 August 1645, when he was apprenticed for 8 years to Symon MIDLETON, Master, Goldmsith's Company; Edward was named in his father's will, 1657, then residing in Lisbon; one of the twenty four assistants who governed the Muscovy Company of Merchant Adventurers, 1672; he was named in his mother's will, 1671; of Colchester, County Essex, 1684, Merchant, when he surrendered his late father's property in Fulham to Walter THOMAS, Clerk; his will, proved P.C.C., 22 August 1688; he was married to Abigail (-?-); she was named in her mother-in-law's will, 1671; she evidently died before Edward; they had issue:
     a. Rebecca VICKERS; named in her grandmother's will, 1671; named in her father's will, 1688.
     b. Abigail VICKERS; ditto 1671 and 1688.
     c. Elizabeth VICKERS; ditto 1671 and 1688.

5. Anne VICKERS, baptized at St Augustine, Watling Street, 30 January 1624 (mother Marie); she was named in his mother's will, 1671; she was married about 1648, to John HACKETT, of London, Dyer, the son an heir of Richard HACKETT of Dytton, County Surrey, Esq; they had issue:
     a. Richard HACKETT; named in his grandmother's will, 1671.
     b. James HACKETT; ditto.
     c. John HACKETT; ditto.
     d. Edward HACKETT; ditto.
     e. Thomas HACKETT; ditto.
     f. William HACKETT; ditto.
     g. Benjamin HACKETT; ditto.

6. Marie VICKERS, baptized at St Lawrence Old Jewry, 1 April 1630, as VIKARS; she died at St Lawrence Jewry, and was buried at St Augustine's, 17 January 1631-32, by John VICKERS, Rector (the second of three such child burials mentioned in her father's will).

7. Elizabeth VICKERS; she was named in his mother's will, 1671; she was married before 1657 to Nicholas THURMAN; he was named as an executor of his father-in-law's will, 1657; they had issue:
     a. Mary THURMAN, born in London, 10 June 1659, and baptized at St Mary Woolnoth, London, 21 June; she was named in her grandmother's will, 1671.
     b. Elizabeth THURMAN; she was named in her grandmother's will, 1671.

8. William VICKERS, baptized at St Lawrence Old Jewry, 20 March 1635-36, as VICKARS; he was apprenticed in 1651, "... son of James VICARS of Fulham, Esq," for 8 years from last midsummer, to Peter BERKENHEAD, Master, Mercer's Company []; he was named in his father's will, 1657, then under age; he was named in his mother's will, 1671; he was married to Letitia (-?-); she was mentioned in her mother-in-law's will, 1671; they had issue:
     a. James VICKERS; named in his grandmother's will, 1671.
     b. Elizabeth VICKERS; ditto.
     c. Mary VICKERS; ditto.
     d. Peter VICKERS; ditto.

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An older James VICCARS was married at St Botolph's, Aldgate, London, 23 February 1607(-08?), to Mary BARBOUR; they probably had issue:
1. John VICCARS, baptized at St Augustine's, Watling Street, London, 23 October 1608.
2. Edward VICCARS, baptized at St Augustine's, 10 September 1609.
3. John VICCARS, baptized at St Augustine's, 23 December 1610.
4. Mary VICCARS, baptized at St Augustine's, 17 November 1611.
5. Ellenore VICCARS, baptized at St Augustine's, 15 November 1612
6. James VICCARS, baptized at St Augustine's, 5 June 1614; buried 9 December 1615.

Given that the Rector of St Augustine's was John VICKERS (see above), it is evident that he had a full comprehension of the very consistent spellings he used in his register, indicating that, despite some common given names, the VICKERS and the VICCARS families were probably unrelated.


[C] John VICKERS, born in London in 1621; said to have been educated at Mercer's School (but his name does not appear in their Student Register); he was admitted as a Pensioner, Christ's College, Cambridge, 24 June 1638, aged 17, but was evidently sent down for his "... prodigal, stubborn and profuse" behavior; his father set him up in business in Russia, probably under the auspices of the Muscovy Company of Merchant Adventurers, where he married and had several children before returning to England, about 1643; he was after of Fulham, County Middlesex, and resided at his father's former house, Goodriche's, in Church Row [FÈRET, Op. Cit., page 138]; he was bequeathed, on condition, two leases of certain houses in Bridewell Lane, Fulham, in his father's will, 1657; of London, Merchant, 12 February 1659, when he was complainant in a court action, for himself and his three children (John, James and Mary VICCARS) v. Nicholas THURMAN and Mary VICCARS, concerning legacies payable from personal estate of James VICCARS, late Alderman of London, deceased [TNA - Ref C 78/702 number 15]; he was named in his mother's will, 1671.

John VICKERS died in 1672, according to an item concerning his son, then on service in Bengal with the Honourable East India Company [Notes and Queries, 27 January 1917, page 81], but no details have yet been discovered.

John was married in Russia, about 1639, evidently under the age 21 and without his father's blessing, to Margerie OSBORNE (the daughter of an English factor there, probably John OSBORNE, a servant of the Muscovy Company, who had a lease on a lucrative caviar farm); Margerie survived her husband, but her death details have not yet been determined.

John and Margerie had issue:

1. John VICKERS, born about 1641, evidently in Russia; appointed Writer in the service of the Honourable East India Company, 18 October 1667, at a salary of £5 per annum for five years; he sailed to India as Factor (at a salary of £20 per annum) on the ship Blackamore (Captain PRICE) in January 1668, arriving at Madras, 8 September 1668, together with Richard EDWARDS [see his Correspondence, published in Notes and Queries, 12th Series, Volume III, on and after 6 January 1917] and John SMITH; on arrival at Fort St George, he was ordered to proceed to Bengal, where he was employed at Balasor; in 1672 he was sent to Dacca to collect evidence against John SMITH, Chief of that factory, who was then under suspicion of cheating the Company; VICKERS officiated there for a few months as Second, then, for want of his health, he obtained permission to return to England; he died on the homeward voyage; by his will, made on board ship and dated 19 April 1673, he bequeathed his property to his mother Margerie, his brother James (or Jacob), and his sister Mary; administration was granted to Jacob VICKERS on 19 September 1673 [Notes and Queries, 27 January 1917, page 81]; his will, proved P.C.C. 19 September 1673, with bequests of £200 to "... my mother Margerie VICKERS," £300 to "... my brother James VICKERS," with minor bequests to named friends, and the residue to "... my sister Mary VICKERS."

2. James (or Jacob) VICKERS, born about 1643, probably in Russia; he was aged 13 in 1657, when he and his grandmother "... were admitted to the house in Church Row" in Fulham, which had been his late grandfather's residence [FÈRET, Op. Cit, page 138]; he was named in his brother John's will, 1672, and was granted administration of it in 1673; in 1674, he disposed of his father's two leases in Fulham; also in 1674, ".. of London, Merchant," when he "... surrendered his messuage in Fulham to John HALL, citizen of London" [FÈRET, Ibidem] - perhaps the one part of his two leases.
James VICKERS (not assuredly, but quite possibly this James) was married at Holy Trinity, Knightsbridge, Dublin, 1 September 1674, to Mary SWAN; they probably had issue:
     a. Mary VICKERS, baptised at St Margaret's, Westminster, 7 April 1675.
James does not appear to have left any further trace in England.
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This is possibly the (Captain) James VICKERS who went to Dublin about 1676 (and, of particular interest, with an eldest daughter named Margaret alias Margery). See [D] next below.

3. Mary VICKERS; she was named in her grandmother's will, 1671; she was also named in her brother John's will, 1673, with the residue of his estate.
Any connection between the foregoing James VICKERS and the following Captain John VICKERS is entirely speculative. The dates fit; the names fit; but neither of these coincidences constitute conclusive evidence.
I do not yet claim this connection to be proven; I will not until some conclusive evidence is found.
But, in the likelihood that none will be found, and after the fashion of Irish best-fit speculation, I do happen to think that the connection is more than just a mere possibility.
In plod-speak, the VICKERS of Fulham do remain "... persons of interest." 


[D] James VICKERS of Dublin; he was born about the 1640's, probably in England, or perhaps even in Russia (see above).

He was in Dublin, probably from as early as 1676; he was probably the "... James VICKERS, a merchant factor in Dublin, mentioned in a Chancery Bill, CLAPHAM v. VICKERS, 19 May 1683" [Hon Guy STRUTT, Irish Ancestor, Number 2, 1970, at pages 90-102] - THRIFT abstracted this as "... Sir Christopher CHAPHAM v. James VICCARS, Bill 19 May 1683, Demurrer 30 May 1683."

He is mentioned in the DIXON Papers [MS 8522, Genealogical Office, Kildare Street, Dublin] as:
"James VICKERS, son of ____ , of Dublin, Merchant; buried St Andrew's as 'Captain' 8 May 1705; first Adm'on 16 May 1705, second Adm'on 23 January 1710; marr Mary _____."

James was recorded in the DIXON Papers as having had issue eighteen children, nine of whom were recorded as being baptized at St Andrew's between May 1677 and December 1695, and five of whom were buried there between August 1679 and December 1695. See further below.

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There can be no doubt that he was the James VICKERS who was engaged to manage the packet boats employed between England and Ireland for delivery of the Royal Mails, under a contract signed in 1689 by the Postmaster General, for maintaining three vessels, at £450 per annum salary (see details further below).

These were tricky times, as the Irish Parliament was then of Jacobite persuasion, until after the Battle of the Boyne (1690) saw the deposed King James going into his final exile in France; although his supporters would continued to harass English maritime interests, and in the Irish Sea.

A brief chronology of events might prove informative as to the factors then in play:

November 1688 - The Protestant Prince William of Orange landed in England.
18 December 1688 - The Catholic King James II fled to France.
12 March 1689 - James landed in Kinsale, County Cork, with an Army from France.
7 May 1689 - Opening of the only session of the Jacobite Parliament in Dublin; they declared their independence from English jurisdiction, a number of Protestant landholders who had taken up arms against King James were attainted of treason, and a large proportion of the Cromwellian land confiscations were annulled.
12 April 1689 - Major John WILDMAN was appointed Postmaster General in England.
11 June 1689 - A Williamite Fleet arrived at the besieged city of Derry, and raised the siege on 28 July.
20 July 1689 - End of the only session of the Jacobite Parliament in Dublin.
29 September 1689 - James VICKERS was contracted by Major John WILDMAN, Postmaster-General, to carry the mails to those parts of Ireland under Williamite control.
26 November 1689 - John SHALES, Commissary-General of Provisions, was ordered by the Parliament in London to be arrested; he was succeeded by William ROBINSON
11 February 1690 - James VICKERS was first named as a Deputy Commissary of Provisions in Chester, under Commissary-General ROBINSON (see below).
1 July 1690 - The Battle of the Boyne, a major defeat of the Jacobite army; James returned into exile in France for the last time.
July 1690 - Dublin was "reduced to obedience" to their Majesties (William III and Mary II).
5 May 1691 - James VICKERS, Deputy Commissary for the Army, named as being in Whitehall.
12 July 1691 - Battle of Aughrim, the penultimate defeat of the remaining Jacobite forces.
October 1691 - The Williamite campaigns in Ireland were concluded.
End of 1691 - John WILDMAN was dismissed as Postmaster-General; he was succeeded by Sir Robert COTTON, Knt, and Thomas FRANKLAND, Esq.

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James may also have been the James VICKERS, mentioned as one of two Deputy Commissaries in Chester (along with Francis CUFFE, as the two Deputies to William ROBINSON, the Commissary General of the Provisions at Chester), between February 1690 and May 1691, in connection with the purchase and sending of supplies to the Williamite Army in Ireland.

From the Calendar of Treasury Papers:
"18 February 1689-90.
"William JEPHSON to the Excise Commissioners, to write by this night's post  to the Officers of Excise and Hearth-money at Chester and the adjacent places, to pay forthwith £1,000 to William ROBINSON, the Commissary-General of the Provisions at Chester, or in his absence to Francis CUFFE or James VICKERS, his deputies there; and to draw bills on Mr HARBORD for their re-imbursement."

Ditto, Volume VIII, April 1690, page 113:
"Order of the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, for forwarding the annexed extract of a letter from Mr CUFF, deputy to the Commissary General of Provisions, for their Lordships' direction. Dated 25 April 1690.
"The said extract, in which he hoped Mr HARBORD would comply with the bill of £250 without much more delay. If there were not a supply in hand at Chester, or in Mr MOOR's hands in London, it would be impossible to carry on their Majesties' service, &c.
"Also a letter from Mr Richard COLINGE to Will. JEPHSON, Esq, stating that the Lords of the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland thought it absolutely necessary that Mr CUFF and Mr VICKERS should be forthwith supplied with £500. Dated 26 April 1690."

And at page 117, in May 1690:
"Letter of William BLATHWAYT to Mr JEPHSON, stating that he had just received a letter from the Deputy Commissaries at Chester, of which he enclosed an extract relating to the re-packing of beef at Liverpool, &c, for the Army in Ireland; further, that the King had seen the enclosed letter from Mons. ROSENHEIM, Commissary General of the Danish forces, and had ordered it to be laid before him at the Treasury. Dated 21 May 1690.
"The extract above named; but the letter mentioned is not now with it.
"Minuted - 'Enquire what summe is requisite for CUFF and VICKERS [Deputy Commissaries]. Mr BLATHWAYTE says about £1,000'."

And in February 1691:
"February 16. William JEPHSON to the Auditor of Receipts to issue to Mr [Charles] FOX. The Committee for the Affairs of Ireland have desired the Treasury Lords to imprest £1,000 to Mr HENLEY and £1,000 to Mr VICKERS to buy oats to be sent to Ireland. You are to write to said HENLEY and VICKERS to draw bills on you for said sums, whither my Lords will take care shall be immediately answered."

And in Volume 9, in March 1691 [Out Letters, General, XIII, page 11]:
"March 10. William JEPHSON to Charles FOX endorsing an order [missing] from the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland about impresting money to Mr VICKERS and Mr HENLEY for buying cheese for the Army there. You are to write by this night's post to VICKARS and HENLY that they proceed in furnishing the quantities of cheese at the rates mentioned in said order, and to draw bills on you for the whole or any part thereof."

And in April 1691 [Disposition Book IX, page 104]:
"April 11. William JEPHSON to [Charles] FOX. The Committee for the Affairs of Ireland desire to imprest £350 to Mr VICKERS at Chester for buying oats and oat-sacks for Ireland. Please write to Mr VICKERS to draw bills on you for that sum. The Treasury Lords will [put you on funds to] enable you to comply with the said bills."

And in May 1691, among the Letters of William BLATHWAYT, we find:
"May 5. L (copy) to James VICKERS, Whitehall (a Deputy Commissary for the Army) about the supply of oats and other provisions for the Army in Ireland."

An additional mention of James VICKERS, probably the same, in April 1689 [TNA - Cheshire Archives, Ref ZA/B/3/29v-31]:
"It was ordered that all Aldermen should meet the Mayor at Pentice at a time appointed by him, and that Mr James VICKERS and Mr William FERNIHAUGH should be sent for to give their reasons for refusing to pay toll on corn brought into the city."
It is not difficult to imagine their answer - in the service of the Crown, for provisioning the Army in Ireland, no less!

While the interests of the Deputy Commissary in Chester are entirely consistent with the activities of our James VICKERS, the mail Contractor (see below), both involving movement of goods across the Irish Sea between England and Ireland, that does not necessarily mean they are one and the same person. And James having packets in regular service between England and Ireland provided a perfect opportunity to deliver other goods along with the mails.
However, there does not appear to be any attempt by the Lords of the Treasury to recognise the possibility that the Mail Contractor and the Deputy Commissary may have been one and the same person.

But, it may be of some considerable interest to this part of our story to note that a James VICKERS did have two sons baptized at St Bridget's, Chester - Michael (23 October 1690) and Thomas (29 February 1691) - and these are the names of two of the sons of our James VICKERS of Dublin, both of whom were mentioned in his 1710 administration, and who are not mentioned in St Andrew's Dublin Registers (although there was an earlier Thomas with a baptism, but a burial shortly after).

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Some detail of James VICKERS's original mail contract was later recorded in his petition to the Postmasters General on 5 July 1693 [Calendar of Treasury Papers, 1660-69, Volume 10, Part 1, at paged 271], as follows:
"Same to same [Treasury to Postmaster General] of the petition of James VICKERS, shewing that he contracted with Major WILDMAN [late Postmaster General] for £450 per an. to maintain three pacquet boats at his own cost and charges from 1689, Sept. 29, between England and that part of Ireland under their Majesties' obedience until Dublin should be reduced, and then £50 more per an. during his contract; that Dublin was reduced in July, 1690, and yet he has received only £450 per an.; that he did, by order of said WILDMAN, send a person to Portpatrick in Scotland to hire and set forth two extraordinary pacquet boats to pass from that place to Donaghadee in Ireland and back again with expresses, mails etc. which were maintained at his [petitioner's] charge for 11 months and cost him £47 7s. 5d.; therefore praying payment."

However, it appears he was already in their service by November 1687 - from later accounts [Calendar of Treasury Papers, 5 August 1697], we find a:
"Treasury warrant...
"... on which petition the said Postmasters General have reported stating as below the particulars of the said account as charged in the books of the Post Office for both the English and the Irish Postage...
"... item (7) is the sum due 1689 May 10 to Mr. VICARS a manager of the Irish packet boats, being half a year's salary paid, which petitioner usually paid...
"... Discharge... (7) £56 5s. 0d. for money [paid to] Mr. James VICCARS for half a year's salary for the Irish packet boats to 10 May 1689.

An e-book, entitled "Holyhead Services, 1561-2011," but with no recorded authorship, made these observations about the origins of the Irish mail service, with a listing of James VICKERS' predecessors:
"In 1635, a regular weekly post was established between London and Dublin - a letter cost 6d - but the service was interrupted by the disorders of 1641. In that year, Nicholas Lord HOWTH made arrangements with some fishermen to carry essential mails across the Irish Sea. In 1644, the French traveler M. BOULLAYE-Le-GOUTE noted the newly built quay at Ringsend.
"By 1646, the Parliament's forces controlled both Dublin and Holyhead. Stephen RICH had already earned their gratitude by, among other things, taking the captured garrison of Conway Castle to sea in his ship and 'setting them swimming towards Ireland.' From 1 November 1646, he was to supply two ships, one based in Holyhead and one at Dublin. The subsidy was £11 per ship per month.
"However, in a few years, the contract passed to Thomas SWIFT, described as Governor of Holyhead, and a 'Commissioner [under the Act for the Propagation] of the Gospel' for Wales. St Cybi's Church in Holyhead had been closed for worship by the Parliamentarians. SWIFT had the tower raised by 17 feet for use as a look-out. Regular posts were re-established in 1653.
"At the Restoration of the Monarchy, the contract went to Captain John BARTLETT, but he was forced to charter ships from SWIFT, who continued to dominate the service. A subsidy of £400 per annum was now paid for three boats, and proportionately for a fourth...
"In 1670, a Major DEANE was providing three packets, one of which was wrecked in December with the loss of 122 lives. This and another wrecking led to the requisition of a "Holland" built boat. The most common route from Conway to Holyhead was along the strand to the Menai Straits opposite Beaumauris, and by ferry to that town. Holy Island, on which Holyhead stands, had been linked to Anglesey.
"In 1686, Lord CLARENDON, the viceroy, spent some days on this journey, mainly trying to get around the mountain at Penmaenmawr. The packet, incidentally, landed him at Dunleary.
"In 1689, James VICKERS agreed to provide three ships at £450 per annum..."

On 25 July 1692, one of VICKERS' boats, the Grace, Dogger, 70 tons, "... in Dublin Bay waiting until the tide would take him over the bar, was seized by a French Privateer, the captain of which stripped the Grace Dogger of her rigging, sails, spars and yards, and of all the furniture wherewith she had been provide for the due accommodation of passengers, leaving not so much as a spoon or a nail-hook to hang anything on, and finally ransomed her to the aforesaid VICKERS for fifty guineas" [The Life of Sir Rowland HILL, and History of the Penny Postage, by HILL and his nephew, Volume II, London, 1880, page 312].
In his report for the Post Masters General, a Mr SCUDAMORE wrote of these trials and tribulations - "The packets in those times, when war raged for so many years, and when every sea was covered with French privateers, gave our Post Masters General very great and constant anxiety. Their orders to the captains of such vessels are urgent, that they shall run while they can, fight when they can no longer run, and throw the mails overboard when fighting will no longer avail..." [HILL, Ibidem].

J.C. HEMMEON, in his "The History of the British Post Office" [Harvard University, Cambridge, 1912, Chapter VII, at page 109 et seq.], noted that:
"In 1653, the Council of State gave orders for the revival of the old packet service between Milford and Waterford. At the same time, Chester was substituted for Portinllain (in Carnarvon) as the point of departure on the English side, and mails were carried weekly between the Milford and Chester packets..."

In the early days, the "bridle track" from Chester to Holyhead necessitated post riders using some beach strands at low tide - and they often had to wait indeterminate times for ferry operators to notice their calls - all of which had contributed to Chester being the preferred landing point for passengers to and from Ireland, despite the longer sea voyage involved.
By 1693, improvements along the track had improved sufficiently for it become useable by coach traffic, whereby it became the preferred departure point on the English side.
In that year, James VICKERS signed a new contract with the Postmasters General, as HEMMEON [Ibidem] further noted:
"The situation of Holyhead, however, was so much in its favour that in 1693, a contract was signed for the conveyance of mails between Holyhead and Dublin. Mr VICKERS, the contractor, agreed to maintain three packets for this purpose for £450 a year.
"He also undertook to provide two boats for the mail service between Portpatrick and Donaghdee. When the Scotch was separated from the English Post Office in 1695, three packet boats came under the control of Scotland."
However, as these were the terms of the 1689 contract, HEMMEON may have misconstrued this later mention as being a "new" contract.
VICKERS 's petition to the Postmasters General of 5 July 1693, concerning his augmentation (see above), elicited the following response:
"Report of Sir Robert COTTON, Knt, and Thomas FRANKLAND, Esq, their Majesties' Postmasters, upon the petition of Mr James VICKERS, Manager of the packet-boats employed between England and Ireland, stating that Sir John WILDMAN, then Postmaster General, in 1689 contracted with Mr VICKERS to maintain three packet boats for those mails at £450 per ann. salary; but there was no mention of the augmentation of his salary when Dublin was reduced; a promise was however made that it should be increased £50 per ann.
"On the second part of the petition they were satisfied that the charges of the hire of two boats between Port Patrick in Scotland and Donnaghadie in Ireland amounted to £47 17s 5d. Sir John WILDMAN having been removed before Mr VICKERS could settle his accounts he had had no allowance, but it was reasonable he should be reimbursed. They left the matter of the £50 to their Lordships, but thought the petitioner could not maintain the boats for less than £500 a year. Dated 26 July 1693.
"Minuted - '18 Aug '93. A warr't to be prepared accordingly'."
A more detailed account, dated 18 September 1693, was recorded in Treasury's Money Book XII, page 122:
"Treasury Warrant to the Postmasters General to pay James VICKERS the salary of £50 per ann. from the time that Dublin was reduced to their Majesties' obedience to Michaelmas last; and a further £47 7s 5d by him expended on two extraordinary boats which he hired to go between Portpatrick and Donaghadee. It appears that in 1689 Sir John WILDMAN, then Postmaster General, contracted with said VICKERS to keep and maintain at his own cost three pacquet boats to be employed for carrying their Majesties' mails between England and Ireland at £450 per ann. salary; but in the contract there is no mention made of any augmentation of salary when Dublin should be reduced, though by a certificate of said WILDMAN, it appears that he did promise an augmentation of 50 per ann. on such reduction, as soon as the Post Office there should be any ways capable of maintaining itself. And further, VICKERS had orders from the said WILDMAN for the said two extraordinary boats and did spend £47 7s 5d. The present Postmasters General thinking that he cannot maintain said three pacquet boats well under 500 per ann."

In June 1696, James VICKERS wrote to the Navy Board, with his account of:
"... stores and furniture belonging to the Talbot pink (sic) wreck, sent by boats from Arklow and Killbridge to Wexford, and brought thence in the Mary, April 1695, to Dublin, and received by the Lords Justices" [TNA - ADM 106/496/47, enclosed in folio 46].
And on 26 July 1696, James wrote to the same, advising that:
"... he took custody at Dublin stores from the Talbot pink, wrecked on that coast, requests directions as to their disposal, and that he be reimbursed for salvage" [TNA, Kew - ADM 106/496/46].

A further communication by VICKERS to the Postmasters General, in August 1696, was mentioned the Calendar of Treasury Papers [Volume XXXIX], at page 534:
"A report of R. COTTON and Tho. FRANKLAND [Post Masters] General to the Lords of the Treasury, on the complaint of Mr James VICKERS, manager of the boats employed in carrying the mails between England and Ireland, who represented that he was a great sufferer by the yachts which were ordered to attend the King's Service between Dublin, Holyhead and Chester, which conveyed passengers who used to be carried in the packet boats, advising that if the petitioner had not some relief, he would expect an additional allowance. Dated 1 August 1696.
"Minuted - 'To desire L'ds of Ad'lty to give like injunction to all capt'ns of ye yachts as His Ma'ty gave Capt WRIGHT.'
"Accompanied by the petition; with copies of instructions issued to commanders of yachts in 1687 and 1688."

G.W. PLACE, M.A., in his "Parkgate and the Royal Yachts: Passenger Traffic between the North-west and Dublin in the Eighteenth Century" [an on-line publication, date not recorded, at page 73], made further mention of these Royal yachts:
"At this period the voyages were usually between Dublin and Parkgate, because in 1689, James VICKERS became contractor for the Post Office packets at Holyhead, and as we shall see, he insisted that Captain WRIGHT should not interfere with VICKERS' passenger traffic. The fact that WRIGHT therefore sailed to Parkgate, except when his orders or the weather required him to visit Holyhead, must have been a major factor in the development of Parkgate as a port for passengers...
"In 1696, James VICKERS of Holyhead complained once more that 'the yachts which are ordered to attend His Majesty's service between Dublin, Holyhead and Chester do convey passengers which were used to be carried by the pacquet boats, whereby he is a great sufferer.' The response of the Treasury Lords was to desire 'that like injunctions may be given to all the Captains of His Majesty's Yachts as hath been formerly given to Captain WRIGHT.'
"Yet it is difficult to see what VICKERS had to complain about, as in 1695, 'Soesdyke' (one of H.M.'s Yachts) visited Holyhead only once; and in 1696 she visited Holyhead three times and 'Beaumaris' (another) once up to September, the date of VICKERS' petition. Of course, VICKERS' contract to carry mail gave him no monopoly of passengers, and his touchiness merely reinforced the tendency of the yachts, and therefore of the quality traffic, to visit Parkgate."

On 29 March 1698, James VICKERS of Dublin again wrote to the Navy Board, concerning the ships Penzance and Talbot, naming Captain ASHTON and Samuel HUNTER, for the locations London and Highlake [TNA, Kew - ADM 106/524/9, folio 9].

James VICKERS evidently acquired, about 1700,  the farmstead known as Tyddyn y Feiler; this was part of the Llanfawr estate, which had belonged to Harry PARRI, who is said to have held the previous Royal Mail contract (but this name is not recorded in the e-book, "Holyhead Services, 1561-2011"); by 1848, this estate was owned by Eleanor VICKERS (the widow of James's great-grandson), and had been leased out to Eliza and John ROBERTS.
[See the Castlering Archaeology Report, Number 236, May 2006, H.E.R. Copy, concerning a development application for land at Tyddynn Bach, South Stack Road, on the western outskirts of Holyhead, on the website].

Edward WATSON, in his "The Royal Mail to Ireland," London, 1917 [at page 70], noted that:
"John VICKERS, who was a packet contractor, died, and his children petitioned the Post Office for compensation on account of damage to the James, packet, in a storm in 1706, and for the loss of the Anne, packet on 24 October the same year."
But this date appears to correspond with our James, rather than with his son John - although it seems likely that his elder sons may well have continued to provide the service under the terms of their father's 1689 contract.

[Frontispiece to "The Royal Mail in Ireland," by Edward WATSON, London, 1917.]

The Calendar of Treasury Books, October 1706 to December 1707 [Warrant Books for June 1707], clarify the picture:
"June 26. Allowance by Treasurer GODOLPHIN...
"Warrant by same to the Postmasters General to pay £400 to Clement MILWARD in trust for the children of Mr VICKERS, late manager of the pacquet boats between England and Ireland, as in consideration of his losses by storm, etc.
"Prefixing: report by said Postmasters General:
"Mr VICKERS contracted with us to furnish 3 packet boats to carry mails and expresses between Holyhead and Dublin for £600 per annum. His packet boat 'James' was damaged by a great storm on 17 September last, in which several Chester, Liverpool and Whitehaven ships were lost; his packet boat 'Ann' [suffered] similarly by a violent tempest on October 24 last, and on the following day [his packet boat] 'Expedition' was surprised by a terrible storm coming from Dublin to the Head, and thereby driven upon the coasts of south Wales where she was destroyed among the rocks, as were many merchant ships at the same time. The Irish correspondence has nevertheless for some years been very punctually and regularly carried on. He has left eleven children wholly unprovided for and without father or mother. Money Book, XIX, page 23."

From where I am looking, it would appear that only James VICKERS, who died in 1705, could be the Mr VICKERS mentioned here. Further, the mention of Clement MILWARD as trustee does explain his role in the 1705 Administration. And it all suggests that the eleven children "... wholly unprovided for" were inevitably those named in the subsequent 1710 Administration, and that both Administrations WERE for the same James VICKERS.

Indeed, it would appear that the second Administration may have been facilitated, or otherwise made necessary, by the death of the trustee Clement MILWARD in 1709 (his will, dated December 1707, was proved on 21 October 1709). MILWARD was also a Master of the Company or Guild of Merchants of Holy Trinity, Dublin.

The e-book "Holyhead Services, 1561-2011" (see above), wraps up the aftermath of the VICKERS contract, as follows:
"In 1715, J. MACKEY, a director of the Dover to Calais packets, was authorized to operate ships on the same conditions as James VICKERS. We find VICKERS' heirs seeking compensation for the loss of the packet Ann in 1706, and for damage to another ship as late as 1720.
"In 1723, Thomas WILSON, a Dublin Merchant, was granted the contract for 7 years, subsequently extended by another seven. He supplied three ships for 300 per annum..."

I have yet to sight documentary verification of this 1720 date mentioned above.

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James VICKERS was buried at Saint Andrew's, Dublin, on 8 May 1705; he died intestate, and his property was the subject of what appear to be two different Administration Grants - the first, dated 16 May 1705, named four of his four (James, George, Edward and William) as well as one Clement MILWARD; the second, dated 23 January 1710, named those four (James now a Merchant in Dublin), another son (John, interposed between James and George), six more sons (Michael, Thomas, Samuel, Allen) and two daughters (Jane and Letitia).
All of which initially tempted me to presume there were two sets of children by two different wives, although some of the baptismal evidence does suggest that there may have been another James VICKERS having issue in the same Dublin parish, and at the same time.

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A cover note to the DIXON Papers MS resource (it was actually mostly typescript) dated 8 May 1911 was made by my forebear, William Jackson PIGOTT. I am of the opinion that the information was probably collected by him from his personal research efforts among manuscript sources in Dublin, many of which did not survive the Four Courts fires of 1922 (WJP died in 1921, without knowing that a lot of his research would thereby have achieved de-facto "primary source" status).

The marriage register of St Andrew's parish, Dublin, was published in 1913 by D.A. CHART, together with the marriage registers for St Anne's, St Audoen's and St Bride's parishes. These marriages are viewable on the web-site.

These are the two principal sources I have used for constructing the following family pedigree. I cannot now verify any of it from any other original source.

James VICKERS and his wife Mary (possibly SWAN? - see above) appear to have had issue:

1. Mary VICKERS was married at St Andrew's, Dublin, 12 December 1699, to Josias THOMPSON (she may have been born in Westminster in 1675 - see above). No further particulars yet discovered.

2. Margaret (or Margery) VICKERS, baptized at the parish church of St Andrew, Dublin, 4 May 1677 [DIXON]; a Marjory HENRICK (sic) was buried at St Luke's, Dublin, 14 December 1746 (however, her entry in the published Dublin Wills Index, 1746, a Widow, recorded her as "alias CRIPPS" - therefore probably another); as Margaret, she was married at St Andrew's, Dublin, 23 October 1701, to Robert HENDRICK [DIXON, and Marriage Register]; her marriage before 1705 may account for her not being mentioned in the Administrations; Robert may have been admitted to Trinity College, Dublin, 17 January 1695-96, as a Pensioner (Mr YOUNG, Dublin), aged 16, born Dublin, son of Thomas HENDRICK, "Pistor"; they had issue:
     a. Jon HENDRICK, baptized at St Nicholas's Without, 10 October 1703 (mother Margery); probably buried at St Nicholas's Without, May 1705, from New Row.
     b. Chas HENDRICK, born at Francis Street, and baptized at St Nicholas's Without, October 1704.
     c. Robert HENDRICK, born at Francis Street, and baptized at St Nicholas's Without, 5 May 1708.
The use of the name Margery here does incline me to the view that this family probably WAS connected to the VICKERS of Fulham, and perhaps directly.

3. Alice VICKERS, baptized at St Andrew's, Dublin, 1 June 1678 [DIXON]; she was buried there, 26 August 1679, infant [DIXON].

4. James VICKERS, baptized at St Andrew's, Dublin, 30 October 1679 [DIXON]; evidently admitted a Freeman of Dublin, about 1698-99, of the Merchant's Guild; he was named in the 1705 Administration, and in the 1710 Administration as "... of Dublin, Merchant, the son" [BETHAM's Abstract]; a Merchant and Freeman of Dublin in July 1729, when he petitioned the Lord Mayor for financial relief, 18 July [Dublin Assembly Roll, XX, m.58b, 1729]:
"James VICKERS, merchant, setting forth that he is a freeman of this honourable city near thirty years, and by the assistance of some friends hath got a small employment in Great Britain, where he and his family design in a short time to go; but, being a considerable time out of business, is reduced in his circumstances, and therefor prayed to have some relief in order to enable him and his family to provide necessaries for setting him up in his new employment; it was ordered that the treasurer, on the Lord Mayor's warrant, do pay the petitioner 15 sterling, the same to be allowed on his accounts."
[Calendar of Ancient Records of Dublin, by Sir John GILBERT, Dublin, 1898, Volume VII, page 462].
He may have gone to Llanfawr, near Holyhead, where a James VICKERS died on 7 April 1735.

James VICKERS Senior appears to have been married secondly, by Banns, at St Bride's, Dublin, 30 December 1680, to Mary ANDREWS (although no burial appears to have been recorded for the earlier Mary - so perhaps this James was another?).

James had further issue (but whether by Mary SWAN, or by Mary ANDREWS, or perhaps even by another, is not yet entirely clear):

5. Elizabeth VICKERS, baptized at St Andrew's, Dublin, 11 February 1680-81 [DIXON] (the proximity of this date to the Mary ANDREWS marriage may present an evidentiary difficulty); she died in 1756 [DIXON, and see pedigree, web-site]; she was married at St Andrew's, Dublin, 1 August 1703, to James OTWAY, of Kilnaccor, County Tipperary (son of John OTWAY, of Clonohan Castle, County Tipperary, and Phoebe LOFTUS of Fethard, County Wexford) [DIXON, and Marriage Register]; her marriage before 1705 may account for her not being mentioned in the Administrations; BURKE [L.G. of G.B. & I.] recorded his death in 1733; he may have died at Knockalton, County Tipperary, 1735 [Will Index], wife Elizabeth; they had issue [from the web-site]:
     a. James OTWAY, born in 1704; Major in the Army, and was present at Dettingen and Fontenoy; he died at Rapla, County Tipperary, in February 1763; he was married to Jane WOODWARD (BURKE records her as Sarah, daughter of William WOODWARD of Cloughprior, County Tipperary); they had issue:
          i. James OTWAY, born in 1751; he was named in his uncle Loftus OTWAY's will, 1760; he built Prior Park House on his mother's land at Clogh Prior, County Tipperary, and lived in it from 1786; he died in 1839, unmarried [BURKE].
          ii. William OTWAY; died young [BURKE].
          iii. [BURKE records a daughter Phoebe (Mrs FREEMAN) - ? perhaps in error for her aunt].
     b. John OTWAY, born in 1705; he died near Nenagh, County Tipperary, in 1740, "... shot by a robber" [BURKE].
     c. Loftus OTWAY, born in 1706; of Lissenhall, County Tipperary; he died on 14 February 1777; his will, dated 14 February 1760, was proved P.C.I., 15 October 1777, naming his sister Phoebe FREEMAN, of Nenagh, widow, her daughters Mary and Elizabeth and only son Lieutenant James FREEMAN, his nephews John LOFTUS and Lieutenant George CUPPAIDGE, his niece Jane CUPPAUIDGE, his brothers Edward and Caesar OTWAY, his nephew Loftus the son of Caesar OTWAY, and his late brother Major James OTWAY and his son James [BETHAM's Abstract]; Loftus was married to Ann LLOYD, of Lloydsborough, County Tipperary; without issue [BURKE].
     d. Mary OTWAY, born in 1707; she was married to John CUPPAIDGE; they had issue:
          i. George CUPPAIDGE; named as Lieutenant in his uncle Loftus OTWAY's will, 1760.
          ii. Mary CUPPAIDGE; named in her uncle Loftus OTWAY's will, 1760.
     e. Caesar OTWAY, born at Kilnacarr, County Tipperary, 1709; Army Officer; Merchant in Cork; he died at Nenagh, 15 September 1782; he was married firstly, to Sarah CLARKE; they had issue:
          i. William OTWAY.
          ii. Loftus OTWAY, born 11 April 1755; he was named in his uncle Loftus OTWAY's will, 1760; he died at Nenagh, 18 February 1789; he was married in 1776 to Sarah WOODWARD, daughter of William WOODWARD of Cloughprior [BURKE]; with issue.
          iii. James OTWAY.
          iv. Sarah OTWAY.
          v. Phoebe OTWAY.
          vi. [BURKE records that there were twelve children, all of whom died young except Loftus]
Caesar was married secondly, in 1762, to Grace SHORT, daughter of William SHORT of Cashelrone, King's County [BURKE].
     f. Phoebe OTWAY, born in 1712; she was a widow when named in her brother Loftus OTWAY's will, dated 1760; she died on 1 April 1786; she was married to Daniel FREEMAN; he died before February 1760; they had issue:
          i. James FREEMAN, born in 1743; Army Officer; named as Lieutenant in his uncle Loftus OTWAY's will, 1760; he died in 1809.
          ii. Mary FREEMAN; named in her uncle Loftus OTWAY's will, 1760; she died in 1802.
          iii. Elizabeth FREEMAN; named in her uncle Loftus OTWAY's will, 1760; she died at Prior Park, 1785.
     g. Thomas OTWAY, born on 1 April 1715; an Army Officer; he died during the Battle of Fontenoy, 1745.
     h. George OTWAY, born in 1716; in the Army; he also died during the Battle of Fontenoy, 1745.
     j. Edward OTWAY, born in 1718; he was married to Sarah McCLURE; they had issue:
          i. Robert OTWAY; 44th Regiment; he died at Cork, 11 March 1836; he was married at Grenada, West Indies, in 1786, to Harriett BRIDGEWATER.
          ii. Caesar OTWAY.
          iii. George OTWAY.
          iv. Thomas OTWAY (?)
          v. Elizabeth OTWAY.
          vi. Phoebe OTWAY.
     k. Henry OTWAY, born in 1720; an Army Officer.
     l. Richard OTWAY, born in 1722; in the Army.
     m. Elizabeth OTWAY; she died at Prior Park, County Tipperary, in 1785.
     n. William OTWAY.

6. John VICKERS, baptized at St Andrew's, Dublin, 4 July 1682 [DIXON]; he was not named in BETHAM's Abstract of the 1705 Administration (there is no reason I have yet discovered for this omission, other than he may have been on Army service abroad - but in and of itself, this omission may present another evidentiary difficulty); he was named in the 1710 Administration, his name inserted between James and William, which point of insertion is supported by the baptismal evidence. See [E] below.

7. William VICKERS, baptized at St Andrew's, Dublin, 23 July 1683 [DIXON]; he was named in both Administrations [BETHAM]; he probably went to Holyhead, Anglesey; if so, he died in Anglesey, 17 May 1761, and was buried at Llanfaethlu, 19 May; this William VICKERS married Susan OWEN, who died at Llanfaethlu, 26 April 1710; and by him had issue (recorded in the HAYNES Family Tree on
     a. M. (perhaps Michael?) VICKERS, born 1700; he was married with issue:
          i. Jane VICKERS, born at Llanfawr, Anglesey, 1723; she died in 1805; she was married to Michael JACOB, Surgeon; he died in 1798; they had issue, including sons William JACOB (1751-1828) of Dublin, and John JACOB (1754-1827), Surgeon to the Queen's County Infirmary.
          ii. Martha VICKERS, born Holyhead, 1730, a half sister of Jane; named in her cousin William VICKERS will, 1818.
     b. William VICKERS, born in July 1706; of Holyhead, 22 September 1764, when elected to the Society of the Garrison of Fort Williamsburg; he was Sheriff of Anglesey, 1782 (unless instead the son); he died at Llanfawr, 7 February 1792; he was married to Mary JONES (born 1712, daughter of Lewis JONES of Holyhead); she died at Llanfawr, 3 January 1771, and was buried at Llanfaethlu, 9 January; they had issue:
          i. Judith VICKERS, born at Llanfawr, 30 July 1730; she was named in the will of Phebe DEW, of Dean Street, parish of St Anne, County Middlesex, Spinster, dated 23 September 1773, with the bequest of her "... white Tabby sack and petticoat"; she died at Llanfawr, 7 October 1787, and was buried at Holyhead [M.I.].
          ii. Jane VICKERS, born at Llanfawr, 26 March 1734; she died there, 12 April 1814, and was buried at Holyhead [M.I.].
          iii. Susannah VICKERS, born at Llanfawr, 8 April 1735; she died there, 8 September 1804, and was buried at Holyhead [M.I.].
          iv. Elizabeth VICKERS, born at Llanfawr, and baptised at Caergybi (Holyhead), 25 July 1737.
          v. William VICKERS, born at Llanfawr, and baptised at Caergybi, 11 September 1738; he died there on 26 December 1738, an infant.
          vi. James VICKERS, born at Llanfawr, and baptised at Caerbygi, 15 November 1739; died 16 April 1814.
          vii. Eleanor VICKERS, born at Llanfawr, March 1740-41, and baptized at Caergybi, 12 March 1740-41; she died there, 6 November 1831.
          viii. William VICKERS, born at Llanfawr, 10 May 1742; he may have established a coaching inn in Waterside, Holyhead, in about 1770, known as the Hibernian Inn, or Moran's Hotel; perhaps the High Sheriff of Anglesey, 1782 (unless instead the father); he died at Llanfawr, 23 February 1823, aged 82 [M.I.]; his will, dated 1 April 1818, was proved P.C.C., 19 November 1823, naming his wife Eleanor, his "... cousin Mary the daughter of my late uncle Richard JONES by Joane his wife," his nephew Robert Lewis VICKERS, "... natural son of my late brother Lewis VICKERS," his cousin Mary the wife of Owen KNIGHTS (?), his cousin Martha VICKERS and her sister (unidentified), and Vickers Hamilton JACOB, the son of William JACOB, late of the General Post Office, Dublin; he was married firstly to Jane ACKERLEY; she died on 12 April 1814; he was married secondly to Eleanor ATCHERLEY (born 1769); she died 5 February 1853, aged 84 [M.I.]; her will, dated 22 June 1852, was proved P.C.C. 30 June 1853, mentioning her nieces Isabella and Elizabeth A. HOLT, and nephew William James HOLT, children of her late sister Isabella HOLT.
          ix. Lewis VICKERS, born at Llanfawr, and baptized at Caergybi, 29 January 1744-45; he died before 1818, and had an illegitimate son, Robert Lewis VICKERS, who was buried at Holyhead, 6 December 1826, aged 50, and who was named in his uncle William VICKERS will, 1818.
     c. James VICKERS; died in 1711. There was a James VICKERS who died at Llanfawr, 7 April 1735 - perhaps instead the uncle?

8. Edward VICKERS; he was named in both Administrations [BETHAM].

9. George VICKERS; he was named in both Administrations [BETHAM]; a Lieutenant in OTWAY's Regiment; his Administration was granted on 31 December 1724 to his brother James VICKERS of Dublin, Merchant [DIXON].

10. Michael VICKERS; he was named in the 1710 Administration [BETHAM, and DIXON].
A Michael VICKERS was baptized at St Bridget's, Chester, 23 October 1690, son of James VICKERS - and a James VICKERS was one of the Deputy Commissaries in Chester in 1690-92.

11. Thomas VICKERS, probably baptized at St Andrew's, Dublin, 8 December 1689; he was probably buried there on 15 February 1689-90 [DIXON].

12 Thomas VICKERS; he was named in the 1710 Administration, a minor [DIXON].
A Thomas VICKERS was baptized at St Bridget's, Chester, 29 February 1691, son of James VICKERS (possibly the Deputy Commissary for the Army in Chester)

13. Samuel VICKERS; he was named in the 1710 Administration, a minor [DIXON].

14. Jane VICKERS; she was named in the 1710 Administration, a minor [DIXON], as the elder daughter.

15. Letitia VICKERS, probably baptized at St Andrew's, Dublin, 25 July 1694 [DIXON]; she was named in the 1710 Administration, as the younger daughter.

16. Allyn VICKERS, baptized at St Andrew's, Dublin, 22 November 1697 [DIXON]; he was named in the 1710 Administration.

There were another baptism and two burials at St Andrew's, Dublin, for children of James VICKERS, but whose names do not appear in either of the 1705 or 1710 Administrations; it is not yet established that they were of the above family, but it seems likely - unless there were two different families here:
i. Samuel VICKERS; buried there, 16 November 1684 [DIXON].
ii. Bartholomew VICKERS, baptized there, 19 December 1695 [DIXON]; buried there, 29 December 1695, infant [DIXON].

I am tempted to make the observation that a Church of Ireland Rector or Vicar would probably have been "obliged" to distinguish between two families in his parish if they had the same names - either by occupation, or by street address, or as the elder and the younger. As the original registers are now lost, it will not be possible to verify whether this was or wasn't done in the case of James VICKERS and his wife Mary in the Dublin parish St Andrew. But it would surprise me if that sort of detail had been "overlooked" or "left out" by those following (likely to have been "eagle-eyed" family historians) who made transcripts before the originals were destroyed.

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There were other VICKERS vital events recorded in the parish Register of St Andrew's, Dublin:
a. Margery VICKERS, buried there, 3 November 1727; possibly the widow of John VICKERS of Fulham (the OSBORNE spouse - see above), but if so, at a very advanced age; perhaps more likely to have been the wife of Thomas VICKERS (next).
b. Thomas and Margery VICKERS had issue:
     i. James VICKERS, baptised there 10 December 1714.
     ii. Mary VICKERS, baptised there 30 March 1724.
c. Michael VICKERS; buried there, 21 April 1731; he appears to have had issue by his wife Phyllis, ten children, including:
     i. John VICKERS, baptised there, 21 October 1708.
     ii. Michael VICKERS; buried there, 25 January 1717, aged 3.
The above Thomas and Michael may have been sons of John and Elizabeth VICKERS who baptised at SS Peter and Kevin, Dublin, 7 May 1675 and April 1681 respectively.

The Fulham VICKERS pedigree (see above) does not identify a John VICKERS among the grand-children named by Mary VICKERS in her 1671-73 will - so probably therefore not a cousin of our James (although our James may not have been a Fulham VICKERS).


[E] John VICKERS, baptised at Saint Andrew's, Dublin, on 4 July 1682, second son of James VICKERS by his wife Mary (probably Mary ANDREWES, who married James VICKERS at Saint Bride's, Dublin, on 30 December 1680 - unless it was an earlier wife named Mary SWAN?).

John may have served abroad in the Army (which may account for the omission of his name for his father's 1705 Administration); there was a John VICKERS, a Lieutenant in Captain Thomas ST CLAIR's Company in Major-General HAMILTON's Regiment of Foot, which served in Cadiz in 1702, and proceeded from there, and briefly, to the West Indies, returning to Ireland in November 1703 (but perhaps our John, at only 20, was too young to have been a Lieutenant in 1702?); there was a John VICKERS who served as Captain-Lieutenant in the 20th (Devonshire)Regiment of Foot in 1715, perhaps the same?

John was later a Brewer in Aledrape, Dublin.

John VICKERS died in Dublin in 1739; he also died intestate, with a grant of Administration, dated 20 June 1739, to his widow Mary.
In 1890, one of his descendants, William Jackson PIGOTT of Dundrum, County Down, posted the following item in "Notes and Queries" [7th Series, Volume IX, 21 June 1890, page 499]:
"According to a note supplied by Mr Arthur VICARS, F.S.A., to the Irish Builder of April 1, 1888, and in connexion with the parish registries of St Audoen's, Dublin, John VICKERS, Alderman of Dublin, who died intestate 1739, left by Mary his wife, (1) George, (2) Joseph, and (3) Ann VICKERS."

John was married by Banns at Saint Catherine's (Church of Ireland), 30 March 1719, to Mary EMERSON (she was probably baptised at Saints Peter and Kevin, Dublin, 14 April 1686, daughter of John and Elizabeth EMERSON of Whitefriars Lane); Mary was buried at Crumlin Church, Dublin, 4 September 1753 [DIXON] (although a transcript in the Society of Genealogists in London records the year as 1759).

John and Mary VICKERS had issue:

1. Elizabeth VICKERS, baptized at St Catherine's, Dublin, 20 July 1720; named in her father's Administration, 1739.

2. Thomas VICKERS, baptized at St Catherine's, Dublin, 14 July 1723.

3. George VICKERS; named in her father's Administration, 1739; probably the mariner on H.M.'s Ship Ipswich, his will proved P.C.C, 18 August 1757, bequeathing his property to his brother Joseph VICKERS of Dublin, Velvet Weaver.

4. Mary VICKERS, baptized at St Catherine's, Dublin, 8 May 1726.

5. Ann VICKERS; named in her father's Administration, 1739.

6. Joseph VICKERS, baptized at St Catherine's, Dublin, 17 June 1734. See [F] below:

[John MALTON's view of Saint Catherine's Church of Ireland, Thomas Street, Dublin, about 1790's.]


[F] Joseph VICKERS, born in 1734; named in his father's administration, 1739; Silk Weaver, New Row, Saint Catherine's Parish, Dublin, October 1766; Silk Weaver, of Golden Lane, of the Coombe (1780), and of Chambre Street (1792); his death details have not yet found; he was married to Elizabeth (maiden surname unknown, possibly YATES); she probably died on 14 May 1797, "...relict of the late Mr VICKERS of Dublin."
Joseph and Elizabeth had issue:

1. Mary VICKERS, baptized at St Catherine's, Dublin, 4 August 1759; buried at Crumlin, County Dublin, 6 July 1767.

2. Esther VICKERS, baptized at St Catherine's, Dublin, 12 May 1761; buried at Crumlin, 21 June 1763.

3. John VICKERS, born at New Row, Parish of Saint Catherine's, 20 March 1763, and baptized at St Catherine's; he married Elizabeth STINSON. See [E] below.

4. George VICKERS, baptized at St Catherine's, Dublin, 5 October 1766, of New Row, Dublin.

5. Alice (or Alicia) VICKERS; buried at Crumlin, 5 March 1768, daughter of Joseph.

6. Mary VICKERS, born in Dublin, 7 July 1769; probably of the Coombe, June 1788, when she was admitted to Membership of the Dublin Methodist Society in the Class of Amelia SINGLETON; she married in December 1793 to John PIGOTT Senior.
See further details of this family at this link:

7. Elizabeth VICKERS, born at St Bride's, Dublin, in 1772; she was married to Edward HALE, Vintner, of Island Bridge, Dublin; he was a Vintner, Dublin, 1824 [Pigot's Directory, City of Dublin]; Vintner, Island Bridge, 1835 [Dublin Almanac and General Register of Ireland]; he died at Island Bridge, 17 October 1842, aged 70 [Dublin Evening Packet, 20 October]; they had issue:
     a. James HALE; died on 16 June 1844, unmarried.
     b. Frances HALE, born at Hanover Street, Dublin, and baptized at St Nicholas Without, 13 October 1811; she died on 3 September 1843; she was married at St James's (R.C. Register, but by License of the Diocese of Dublin), 30 July 1839, to Isaac McGUINNESS (Register) or McGENNIS (M.L.B.); he died on 2 March 1842.
     c. Susannah HALE; she was married at St James's church, Dublin, November 1844, to her cousin William Henry VICKERS.

8. Susannah VICKERS, baptized at St Luke's, Dublin, 1 August 1780.

[Ruins of Saint Luke's Church (built 1709, closed 1975) on Saint Luke's Avenue, near the Coombe, Dublin.]


[E] John VICKERS, born in 1763; he was a Weaver, of Phordham's Alley, Dublin, in June 1784; of 5 Elbow Lane, Dublin, January 1788, when he was admitted to the Methodist Society of Dublin, as a member of Samuel DAN's First Class; of the Coombe, Dublin, March 1789, when he was Listed in the Bands of the Methodist Society; Weaver, Phordham's Alley, Dublin, in February and May 1788; he was back at  Elbow Lane, 1790-99; he was admitted Freeman of the Dublin Corporation, Weaver's Guild, at Easter 1790; a Warden of the Weaver's Guild, 1794; he subscribed to the publication of WHISTON's "Josephus," 1796, of Elbow Lane.

John died 22 April 1806, aged 43 (as recorded in William MAGUIRE's Memoir of 1823).

John was married at Saint Catherine's (Church of Ireland), Dublin, 22 August 1783, to Elizabeth STINSON (she was baptised at Saint Catherine's, 15 September 1765, daughter of Robert STINSON, Twister and Throwster, by his wife Elizabeth); Elizabeth was at 2 Elbow Lane, June 1787, when admitted as member of the Second Class of the Methodist Society of Dublin (unless that was instead John's mother, perhaps already a widow?); she died on 27 July 1799, aged 33, and was buried at Saint Luke's, Dublin, 29 July, a day after the burial of her child.

John and Elizabeth VICKERS had issue:

1. Susanna VICKERS, born at Phordham's Alley, 10 June 1784, and baptized at St Luke's, Dublin, 13 June; she died young.

2. Mary VICKERS, born at Elbow Lane, Dublin, 25 January 1786, and baptized at St Catherine's, 29 January; she was of the parish of St Nicholas Without when she was married, by Consistorial License dated 17 January, in St Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin and by the Rev James NEVINS (Curate of Saint Andrew's, on 23 January 1804, to William MAGUIRE, of Back Close (St Patrick's), Dublin, Gent [Cathedral Register, William MAGUIRE's Memoir, and BETHAM's Abstracts].

See their separate blog-post at this link:;09/willim-maguire-of-dublin.html

3. Esther VICKERS, born at Phordham's Alley, and baptized at St Luke's, 2 February 1788; she died on 18 May 1810.

4. John VICKERS, born on 21 February 1790, and baptized at St Catherine's, 11 March; Treasury Department, Dublin; he died at Charlotte Mall, Dublin, 30 November 1824; he was married in Dublin, 20 November 1815, to Hannah LEESON; with issue:
     a. George VICKERS, born in Dublin, 30 August 1816; Organist in Limerick, 1853; Professor of Music, Ventnor Villas, Hove, Sussex, 1871; went to Canada; died at his brother's residence in Toronto, 11 October 1883, the childless widower of Miss FORT of Limerick.
     b. John Joseph VICKERS, born in Dublin 5 May 1818. See [G] below.
     c. William Henry VICKERS, born in Dublin, 30 January 1820 [DIXON]; he was the subject of proceedings as an Insolvent Debtor, January 1847, of Island Bridge, Tailor, previously of Dawsons Lane [Dublin Weekly Register, 9 January]; he was married at St James's, Dublin, 5 November 1844, to his cousin, Susannah HALE, "... daughter of the late Edward HALE, Esq, of Island Bridge" [Limerick Chronicle, 20 November] .
     d. Elizabeth VICKERS, born in Dublin, 25 December 1821 [DIXON]; she was residing in Hove, Sussex, 1871 Census, with her widowered brother George; she was a Lodger at Castlewood Avenue, Rathmines and Rathgar East, 1901 Census, aged 77, Annuitant, Unmarried; she died in Dublin, 12 December 1908, and was buried in her MAGUIRE cousin's plot in Mount Jerome Cemetery.
     e. Frederick Thomas VICKERS ; born in Dublin, 27 June 1825; he died in Dublin, 28 February 1827. 

5. Joseph VICKERS, born in Dublin, 13 November 1792, and baptized at St Luke's, 21 November; Constable, St Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin; he was married in 1818 to Mary Ann SPRATT.

6. George VICKERS, born in Dublin, 7 February 1794, and baptized at St Catherine's, 9 February; he died on 27 July 1828, and was buried in St Patrick's Cathedral churchyard; he was married on 21 August 1817 to Margaret CONNELL; she died in 1847, and was buried with her husband.

7. Elizabeth VICKERS, born at Elbow Lane, 17 October 1795, and baptized at St Catherine's, 26 October; died an infant.

8. Elizabeth VICKERS, born at Elbow Lane, 3 October 1796, and baptized at St Luke's, 5 October; died young.

9. Robert VICKERS, born at Elbow Lane, 13 September 1798, and baptized at St Luke's, 16 October; died young.

10. A child; buried at St Luke's, 28 July 1799; perhaps instead one of the foregoing.


[G] John Joseph VICKERS, born in Dublin 5 May 1818; from his entry in "A Cyclopaedia of Canadian Biography," edited by Geo. Maclean Rose Toronto, 1886, at pages 222-223, we find that:
"... his early education was acquired in Dublin, and when a young man, he entered the service of the City of Dublin Steam Packet Company, and remained in their service for several years.
"In 1849, he left Dublin, and arrived in New York, bearing introductory letters from Mr James McHENRY, of Liverpool. He entered the service of the Howard Steamship Company, and continued in the employ of this company for about two years. In the meantime, having heard of the splendid agricultural prospects of Canada, young VIKERS, who had lots of energy and ambition, determined to try his hand at farming, and putting hiss resolution into effect, he left New York and moved to the Bay of Quinté district, and settled upon a farm in Prince Edward County. Two years practice as an amateur farmer convinced Mr VICKERS that rolling logs and growing buckwheat was very different to what he had imagined it, he abandoned agriculture, and left for Toronto.
"In 1852, he engaged with the American Express Company, and continued in their service for two years; when, on the completion of the Northern Railroad, he embarked in the express business on his own account, and by strict attention and great exertions he has developed his present extensive connection.
"In 1858, in conjunction with others, Mr VICKERS visited the Lake Superior district in the first Steamer (The Rescue), to Thunder Bay. He then noticed that the Kaministiquia river would in the future be a great harbor, and acting on his own prophetic instincts, he purchased, after its survey by the government, land in that region, and owns nearly half of the navigable portion of the river frontage on the north side. The Canadian Pacific Railway now runs through the greater portion of his property.
"Since his settlement in Toronto, he has taken an active interest in all that concerns the city's welfare, and in 1864 was elected alderman to represent St George's Ward, and he remained in the council until 1870. During the time he was a member of the council, he proposed the resolution to construct the new water works, which was carried in October, 10th, 1870.
"He is captain in the Sedentary Militia, having held a commission for many years. Mr VICKERS' political opinions are strongly Conservative." 

[A photo portrait, published in "The Canadian Album: Men of Canada,' Edited by Rev Wm COCHRANE, D.D, Brantford, Ontario, 1891, at page 237.]

A businessman and local Tory politician in Toronto, from 1852; he was founder and sole proprietor of Vickers Express Company, 1854-1888; he was admitted as an Affiliate, St Andrew's Lodge, Toronto, 13 December 1859; his business was at 55 Yonge Street, Toronto, 1868, house at 171 Richmond W.; he was at St Patrick's Ward, Toronto West, 1871 Census, aged 52, Express Proprietor, with his wife Catherine, eight children and five domestic servants; business at 55 Yonge, 1874, house 152 Adelaide W.; business 10 Wellington W., 1877, house 152 Adelaide W.; residing at St Andrew's Ward, Toronto City, 1891 Census, aged 72, Gentleman, with wife and five children; he died at Toronto, 11 March 1896.
John Joseph was married in Belleville, Ontario, in 1851, to Catherine Mary MOODIE (born at Southwold, Suffolk, England, 14 February 1832, eldest daughter of John Wedderburn Dunbar MOODIE by Susanna STRICKLAND); she was at Ward 3, Toronto City, 1901 Census, with three children; she died on 14 December 1904.

They had issue:

1. Georgina Eliza VICKERS, born at 140 Adelaide Street, Toronto, 28 May 1856; aged 14, at school, with her parents, 1871; she died at Toronto, 6 October 1893; married at St James's Cathedral, Toronto, 6 August 1881, Edward Philip LEACOCK, of St Boniface and The Hill, Birtle, Manitoba, J.P.; he was at St Boniface, Provencher, Manitoba, 1891 Census, aged 38, with wife and three children; they had issue:
     a. Thomas Murdoch LEACOCK, born at Kildonan, Manitoba, 6 August 1882; aged 9, with his parents, 1891; he died in 1957.
     b. Ela Moodie LEACOCK, born at Kildonan, Manitoba, 20 March 1884; aged 7, with her parents, 1891; she died at Los Angeles, 17 October 1959.
     c. Agnes Mary Vickers LEACOCK, born at Birtle, Manitoba, 7 June 1886; aged 5, with her parents, 1891.

2. John Alexander Dunbar VICKERS, born at Toronto, 22 May 1858; Upper Canada College, 1866-73; aged 12, at school, with his parents, 1871; went to Illinois in 1892; at Maddison Ave, Chicago, 1900 Census, aged 40, Superintendent Express Company, with wife and two children; at Washington Avenue, Chicago, 1910 Census, aged 51, Manager Express Coy, with wife, three children and his mother-in-law (Ellen TENCH, aged 82, Widow); of 29 Munro Street, Chicago, 1917, Vice President and General Manager, Western Lines, American Express Company; he died at Chicago, 17 February 1918; his will, dated 7 November 1907, was proved at Chicago, 12 June 1918, naming his wife Ellen Florence as a joint executor and trustee, and his three children; he was married at Chippawa, Welland County, 27 March 1889, to Ellen Florence TENCH (daughter of William E.;and Ellen TENCH); with issue:
     a. John Harold VICKERS, born in Canada, September 1899; named in his father's will, 1907.
     b. Margaret Dunbar VICKERS, born in Illinois, April 1899; unmarried when named in her father's will, 1907.
     c. Murray Alexander VICKERS, born in Illinois, about 1901; named in his father's will, 1907; died at Montreal, 12 June 1985.

3. Katie Moodie VICKERS, born Toronto, 28 January 1860; as Catherine, aged 10, at school, with her parents, 1871; she died 1932; married at Toronto, 20 September 1882, to James Playford McMURRICH, aged 22, Professor, of Guelph, Wallington County, Ontario; with issue.

4. William Wallbridge VICKERS, born at Toronto, 6 August 1862; aged 8, at school, with his parents, 1871; Upper Canada College, 1872-81; B.A., University of Toronto, 1885; Ontario Bar, 1888; he witnessed his brother John's marriage in 1889; aged 28, Lawyer, with his parents, 1891; Barrister-at-Law; visited London in 1905, returning on the S.S. Cedric, from Liverpool, arriving at New York on 16 April, with his wife, and going to 77 York Street, Toronto; at 77 York Street, Toronto, 1917, Barrister and Solicitor; he died at Toronto, 28 June 1927, and buried at St James's Cemetery, Toronto; he was married at Toronto, 13 December 1897, to Mary HOWLAND; with issue:
     a. (son).

5. Isabella Josephine VICKERS, born at Toronto, 7 August 1864; aged 6, at school, with her parents, 1871; she died at Denver, May 1943; married on 21 September 1887, Henry SEWALL, M.D. (1855-1936), Professor of Physiology, Universities of Michigan (1881-89) and Denver (from 1889), Denver Health Commissioner, and Secretary of the Colorado Board of Health; no issue.

6. Victor Gilmore Ridgeway VICKERS, born at 140 Adelaide Street, Toronto, 1 June 1866; aged 4, at school, with his parents, 1871; at Ahunstic, Laval, Quebec, 1911 Census, aged 45, with wife Marcella, daughter Catherine, living with his father-in-law William SMITH (aged 82, born Scotland), along with his wife's three sons by her former ROUTH husband; Victor died at Montreal, 1944; married in 1905, Marcella Hay ROUTH (formerly SMITH); issue included a daughter:
     a. Catherine VICKERS, born in February 1907.

7. Ethel Rosina VICKERS, born at Toronto, 4 March 1868; as Esther, aged 2, with her parents, 1871; she witnessed her brother John's marriage, 1889; as Ethel, aged 23, with her parents, 1891; she died on 17 June 1962, and was buried at Cimitiére Mont-Royal, Outremont, Montreal; she was married on 11 November 1891, to Samuel William (or Wellington) EWING, of Montreal; with issue a daughter:
     a. Katherine Hamilton EWING, born Montreal, 1 December 1893; also known as Doria MARCH, silent film actress; twice married with issue.

8. Henrietta Moodie VICKERS, born at Toronto, 2 March 1870; aged 1, with her parents, 1871; aged 21, with her parents, 1891; aged 31, with her widowed mother, 1901; she died in 1938; unmarried.

9. Arthur Algoma VICKERS, born at Toronto, 26 March 1872; Upper Canada College, 1881-88; University of Toronto, 1890-93; aged 19, Law Student, with his parents, 1891; aged 29, with his widowed mother, 1901; partner of WALSH and VICKERS, Real Estate business, Fort William, Ontario; he died at Fort William, 6 April 1914; he was married to Marcella Gertrude FINN.

10. Agnes Strickland VICKERS, born at Toronto, 6 November 1874; aged 16, with her parents, 1891; aged 26, with her widowed mother, 1901; she died in 1950; she was married at Toronto, 24 September 1902, to Philip Edward McKENZIE, of Port Portage, Ontario.